Yagi Doppler
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Legal to buy ,or cross border shop in our home and native land?
All the best,
Y.
All the best,
Y.
Fiocchi Tracer Shot Shells
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boltonscouter
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Nothing about it would be illegal, just a glow stick in a shot shell. Ask your local Fiocchi dealer to bring it in. Buying in the USA, will likely result in criminal repercussions, read the stickies, they are plentiful.
I've looked at these ones with interest. They are not incendiary. They are effectively a 'glow stick' that is activated during the shot. I can't give an authoritative answer, but I can't see how these would be illegal.
Don't 'cross border shop' these though. Exporting ammo from the US (not to be confused with importing it into Canada) without appropriate paperwork is quite illegal.
Brad.
Don't 'cross border shop' these though. Exporting ammo from the US (not to be confused with importing it into Canada) without appropriate paperwork is quite illegal.
Brad.
Says the Explosives Regulations which are a part of the Explosives Act. The regulations permit the sale and possession of safety cartridges which are defined in the regulations as NOT being tracer rounds (or incendiary, explosive, etc.). Ergo, by default, anything that is NOT a safety cartridge is prohibited. A few otherwise knowledgable folks here seem to have their own interpretations but the regulations are pretty cut and dried. This is completely separate from the OIC that prohibits certain kinds of projectiles and ammunition. This is also the reason why ERD pulled all 7.62x39 tracer off the shelves (which I confirmed in person with an ERD senior inspector; has nothing to do with hazards to trees).
Now, all that said the Fiocchi tracer shotshells are a glowstick as others have said. Being an inert, non-pyrotechnic tracer element I couldn't see ERD passing these off as anything but a safety cartridge. The List of Authorized Explosives often has blanket approvals for a manufacturer's products, such as "FIOCCHI - ALL 12 GAUGE SHOTSHELLS" which would mean they're already good to go. Someone will need to check.
Extraordinarily good points. Assuming something should be legal is a poor approach.
I would wait for someone to properly import these into Canada (as I'm not interested in dealing with the regulations of exporting ammo from the US myself) and then try them. They look like they would be a lot of fun.
The act excludes tracers from the definition of safety cartridge as a Div 6, Class 1 definition. Meaning tracers are NOT safety cartridges as fined in the act. However, having read every line of the act, I can find no other reference to tracers, certainly nothing saying they are "illegal".
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-17/FullText.html
This section states that you and I cannot possess explosives, period. UNLESS an exception is made in the Act or Regulations.
An exception is made to possess safety cartridges only. Since tracers are specifically excluded from the definition of a safety cartridge, their possession is illegal under section 6 of the Act.
Fair? No. But then I don't make the rules.
I hope so! ERD has recently relaxed import regulations on surplus (ball, of course) ammo so who knows what can be changed in the future.
But again, I do not believe these glowstick style tracers would be prohibited as the trace element is non-pyrotechnic. If this technology could be built into rifle or pistol cartridges now that would be something else!
But again, I do not believe these glowstick style tracers would be prohibited as the trace element is non-pyrotechnic. If this technology could be built into rifle or pistol cartridges now that would be something else!
Fiocchi's website sucks for finding info, but a few web searches found a whole line of this style of tracer (pistol/rifle/shotgun/rimfire)
http://www.hyattgunstore.com/_search.php?page=1&q=tracer
edit.... this may just be poor marketing on Hyatt's part, I don't see any real evidence that the single projectile ammo is actually tracer ammo.
Presumably because whoever wrote the law is not a gun owner and views the average Canadian gun owner like this:
And not like this:
Tracer ammunition is ostensibly for military use with few practical applications in the civilian world aside from being fun to use (which is perfectly legitimate I submit). Unfortunately the powers that be don't write law based on what's fun. It probably came down to a question of "Who needs tracer ammunition to hunt deer?" by people ignorant of the many disciplines within the shooting community.
And not like this:
Tracer ammunition is ostensibly for military use with few practical applications in the civilian world aside from being fun to use (which is perfectly legitimate I submit). Unfortunately the powers that be don't write law based on what's fun. It probably came down to a question of "Who needs tracer ammunition to hunt deer?" by people ignorant of the many disciplines within the shooting community.
Does anybody understand why the government prohibits tracer ammo; what's the rationale?
Or are they just prohibited due to the coolness factor?
Well they do have a tendency to burn down everything they touch. Trust me. Only really safe to use in winter if you don't want your shooting spot to go up in flames.
