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I'm considering buying a Benelli SuperBlackEagle II, a Beretta Xtrema2, or a Browning Gold in a 12 ga. this week. Does anyone know if either the Benelli or Beretta shotguns are made down South? I was told that firearms made in the USA are not subject to duty, only GST. If it subject to duty, does anyone know what the duty rate would be? If cost effective, I would like to buy it in Buffalo - the place is called Buffalo Gun Center - they have an export permit and for $60 they will deliver the firearm to the border.

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Your better off buying a Benelli or Beretta from a dealer up here... Stoeger Canada is the importer for these firearms in Canada. If you have any warranty issues your going to be driving back across the border for repairs.
The money you might save will be eaten up by driving costs and money exchange rates anyway....:confused:
 
"...was told that firearms made in the USA are not subject to duty..." Wrong. The Free Trade Act does not apply to anything firearm related. Customs will collect both GST and PST(I'm guessing you're in Ontario from the Barffalo reference), plus duty, brokers fees etc. Less fuss to buy it here.
You won't be able to go to the Gun Center, but and bring it back the same day either. You will have to provide the Canadian import permit required to get the U.S. export permit, first.
 
Import permit? I thought all that was needed was to have the firearm registered in the Registry. Once they send the proof, then that is all that would be required to complete the transaction at the border. This is definitely getting complicated. Would Stoeger Canada sell direct to the end user instead of going to a LeBaron's as an example? Ammo is cheap down there too.
 
Stoeger Canada is not going to sell out it's dealers to sell you a firearm at a discount...:rolleyes:
I was going to recommend a good store to you .... but your post's suggest to me that you are not interested in supporting your local gunstore anyway... so I'll pass.:runaway:
 
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A friend of mine tried to import a SBE into Canada and the problems were so bad he just gave up and bought in Canada. He looked into having the gunstore handle exporting it or having his brother, who is a U.S. citizen, buy it and send it to him. You're better off just finding the best deal up here and taking it.
 
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Stoeger Canada is not going to sell out it's dealers to sell you a firearm at a discount...:rolleyes:
I was going to recommend a good store to you .... but your post's suggest to me that you are not interested in supporting your local gunstore anyway... so I'll pass.:runaway:
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Don't get me wrong - I'll support anyone locally but if choice is few there should be options for the consumer. Being new to this hobby, I see a wide range of pricing between US and Cdn pricing. The reason I bring up the Buffalo store reference is that it was suggested to me by another hobbyist. If the firearm comes from Vancouver to St.John's, so be it; at least it'll be in Canada and with warranty. Perhaps if there isn't any good deals that may come up by Boxing Day, an alternative may be to wait for the Sportman's Show for good pricing.
 
I'd be VERY careful buying ammo from the Buffalo side or in the US. The Canadian regulation in bringing in ammo's from US is pretty simple. However it's the US regulation changes after 9-11 that makes buying ammo in the US that makes things really complicated for us Canadians.
It is NOT as simple as it looks like for a non-US resident to legally buy ammo from the US.
 
BIGREDD said:
I was going to recommend a good store to you .... but your post's suggest to me that you are not interested in supporting your local gunstore anyway... so I'll pass.:runaway:
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Oh please...you were really gonna suggest a store but now won't. Grow up. So what if he wants the best deal possible. We firearm owners need to stick together and help each other out.


There is an outfit here name Questar that advertises on this forum that will import for you but you can count on adding over 200$ to your price you pay. As I understand it the biggest problem is getting it out of the US. Once it is on our side it is no problem to get it registered. I have never paid duty on any firearms parts or on flintlock guns brought up from the US.
 
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sunray said:
"...was told that firearms made in the USA are not subject to duty..." Wrong. The Free Trade Act does not apply to anything firearm related. Customs will collect both GST and PST(I'm guessing you're in Ontario from the Barffalo reference), plus duty, brokers fees etc. Less fuss to buy it here.
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I thought brokerage fees only applied when you used a third party to broker the duty?

He did say that he'd be driving down to pick it up right?
 
anybody bringing in stuff from the US for you can charge brokerage fees -they are doing the paperwork so you don't have to, and nobody works for free -

what they charge varies . the best is USPS/canada post:) - the fee is only $5 or $8 depending if its express or not. UPS :mad: will a**-r**e you (assuming they will accept firearms parts- they're anti-gun) , their brokerage charges typically run $40 on up regardless of value. most other carriers are reasonable, for instancec purolator charges the canada post rate IIRC

you will have to pay GST/PST or HST as applicable when importing. I buy from Brownells & other US suppliers all the time and have never been charged duty - and the customs classification is firearms parts. this is NAFTA though - if the gun was made in italy or china duty might well apply.

In addition to getting the Canadian import permit, finding a licensed registered US exporter (not all firearms & parts dealers/companies are licensed), completing a end-user certificate, you will also have to get the firearm preregistered - for which you need a verifier- so you can provide Canada customs a copy of the registration and your PAL as well.

I just went through the process to bring in an action from brownells. in my experience, treatment from both foreign affairs (for the import certificate) and the CFC (for preregistration) was excellent :D -people were very helpful and the paperwork arrived quickly. Based on my experience, I expect that canada customs will be just as good,,,:D
 
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I have a question that relates to this subject..
What would the process be if you have an American (with the proper papers to get it here) bring the gun over while they were coming to hunt..
Than you want to buy his firearm from him while he is here??
What would the process be or would it be allowed?
 
Do no confuse "camo if you do not know the answer, do not guess! It is very simple. You go to Buffalo, chose the gun, give them a deposit. They will give you serial number and model #. You register it in firearm center and pickup next time you go there. There no duties, just pst +gst.
Regarding ammo: call Canadian customs, do not ask everyone, they do not know!. You allowed to bring 5000 rounds per trip from US. Pay cash in US, they do not ask for PAL.
Friend of mine just bought 2 guns there, very simple. Do not allow Canadian dialers rip you off, let them know that we have a choice and they will low the price. US guys are laughing on us ( we pay 790 Can for GLOCK, they have it for 550 US - 630 Can).
 
j_m_ru said:
Do not allow Canadian dialers rip you off, let them know that we have a choice and they will low the price. US guys are laughing on us ( we pay 790 Can for GLOCK, they have it for 550 US - 630 Can).
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I think you are confusing 'stay in business' with 'rip you off'. By having to follow US Gov export regulations, the Canadian dealer likely wound up paying more than US retail for the Glock before it even entered the country. As well, Canadian gunshops have higher license fees, higher taxes on profits, higher shipping costs to get the merchandise, longer lag times after goods have been paid for, and generally have far less turnover on stock (they sell less handguns than US dealers).

Your comment is ignorant and insulting.
 
Support "LOCAL" dealers, and since the Canadian Recreational Firearms Community is relatively small, compared to the US, that essentially makes all Canadian Dealers "Local." For common firearms like Benelli & GLOCK, there is no reason to look outside the country, for more esoteric firearms that aren't commonly carried by dealers? That's a different kettle of fish. Guys like Walt from ARMSEAST, John at MARSTAR, John & Pat at Wolverine Supplies, JR at The Shooting Edge are providing exceptional quality goods at fair prices. Any retail business has to make payroll, cover overhead, pay deductions & taxes, in addition to the cost of purchasing firearms in other countries, paying for import/export permits, freight, etc...they can have hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up for months waiting for firearm shipments to clear US/Canada Customs, etc...that is money that isn't working for them. So what if you have to pay an extra $100 CDN for a particular firearm? In addition to covering expenses, Canadian dealers have to make a profit as well! Besides, you can pick up the phone and have that new GLOCK you've been wanting delivered to your door in as little as 2-3 days. Compare to the months and months of paperwork and waiting you'll have to face importing a firearm LEGALLY from the US.
 
j_m_ru said:
Do no confuse "camo if you do not know the answer, do not guess! It is very simple. You go to Buffalo, chose the gun, give them a deposit. They will give you serial number and model #. You register it in firearm center and pickup next time you go there. There no duties, just pst +gst.
Regarding ammo: call Canadian customs, do not ask everyone, they do not know!. You allowed to bring 5000 rounds per trip from US. Pay cash in US, they do not ask for PAL.
Friend of mine just bought 2 guns there, very simple. Do not allow Canadian dialers rip you off, let them know that we have a choice and they will low the price. US guys are laughing on us ( we pay 790 Can for GLOCK, they have it for 550 US - 630 Can).
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no US export permits - which require canadian import permits? I thought US law required all firearms exports to have an export permit, and for the US dealer to be a licensed exporter. IF t you don't, you are breaking US law big time... pehaps a mod could clarify...
 
Import/ Exporting guns from US

Man, there is alot of opinions regarding this!!
If a gun dealer in the US has an EXPORT permit he can sell a Canadian Citizen a firearm. If the US dealer has no EXPORT permit, then a Canadian citizen can't purchase a firearm.
Now, if a US citizen purchases a firearm in the US, and decides to sell it to a Canadian, the canadian needs a bill of sale for the gun..
He or she (Canadian) contacts the Import/ Export people in Ottawa, gets an IIC (International Import Certificate), and contacts the CFC and registers the firearm. After the Canadian purchaser receives the CFC registration and the IIC, takes it over the border, pickes up the gun, takes it to customs, and declares it, showing the bill of sale the IIC and the CFC registration, you'll pay both GST, and PST, the gun comes home with you....END OF STORY!!!

I have friends in the US that have sold me a few used shotguns that didn't want any more :D
 
Guns into Canada

Just to let you all know, that it is a FEDERAL OFFENCE for a US Citizen to buy a gun in the US and sell it to a Canadian....but if the US citizen had bought the gun and didn't like it, and decided to sell it then that is legal. I just wanted to clarify that..

Regards
 
j_m_ru said:
Do no confuse "camo if you do not know the answer, do not guess! It is very simple. You go to Buffalo, chose the gun, give them a deposit. They will give you serial number and model #. You register it in firearm center and pickup next time you go there. There no duties, just pst +gst.
Regarding ammo: call Canadian customs, do not ask everyone, they do not know!. You allowed to bring 5000 rounds per trip from US. Pay cash in US, they do not ask for PAL.
Friend of mine just bought 2 guns there, very simple. Do not allow Canadian dialers rip you off, let them know that we have a choice and they will low the price. US guys are laughing on us ( we pay 790 Can for GLOCK, they have it for 550 US - 630 Can).
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Canada Customs regulations allow you to bring 500 rounds of loaded ammo back into the country,not 5000.That's the amount the guys I shoot with bring back from the US when they go down there to shoot.That's not per person either,but per load(per vehicle).They also allow 5000 primers and 5000 wads per load.Shot is unlimited but right now it cost more in the US than I pay for it at home so there's no pont.
Dave
 
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