Firing &.62X 54R from A M95S

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Hey guys,

Kinda a stupid question here but i was wondering if its possible to fire 7.62X54R out of a M95 short rifle. I picked it up today at the Halifax Army navy store and was told the former owner claimed he fired 8 mm Mauser out of it. I check it out myself with an empty 8mm casing but the extractor wont hook, and the en-block clips wont work right with it so don't see how its possible.
However i see some people form casings with 7.62x54R casings loaded with 8mm bullets. Basically im curious if shooting 7.62 ammo out of this would do damage or be dangerous, im planning to order some proper 8mm from P and S, but im going to the range on Thursday and ill like to light this thing up provided its not going to hurt, what would the result of shooting undersized bullets out of a rifle being?? Say even loading .323 Mauser bullets in the .330 Hungarian Casings? I realize accuracy would be non existent i just wanna hear her go bang. thanks.
 
Wait, you want to try to shoot 7.62x54r or 8x57mm out of your M95 ?

I would strongly advise against any shooting until you know exactly what your rifle is chambered for and not take someone's word for it otherwise you, and others, could end up getting injured.

Post pictures of your rifle, along with a clear shot of the receiver and action and we can try to help you out.
 
Im getting it checked out tomorrow to be sure what im dealing with but after checking it out tonight im pretty sure its 8X56R. Iv heard of some guys fire-forming 8x56R casings from 7.62x54R casings, im not familiar with the procedure so i was just curious how they do this and if it would hurt to fire 7.62 if its the 8x56R chamber? If theyre likely to cause damage or be dangerous ill wait till i get my hands on 8x56 ammo, if it turns out to be a 8mm mauser rifle, which i doubt i can get ammo anywhere so i wont have to mess around with it. Ill be posting pics tmr when i get my camera charged.
 
Is there a large "S" stamped on the barrel just forward of the receiver and behind the rear sight? if so it is 8x56r and 7.62x54r will not work. Even if by some miracle it did, your accuracy would be very poor.

8x56r reloading supplies are out there, trade ex has them if not most of it.

Loading for 8x50r, the original ww1 calibre is a p.i.t.a. As there is no newly made brass. This is where converting a 54r case may work but good luck finding the die set, they are $100 ish.

It doesnt hurt to have a qualified gunsmith look her over so good you are doing this before shooting.
 
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The Germans converted some of these rifles to handle the 8x57mm Mauser cartridge during WWII, so the advice to have it checked over is valid.

If you are going to try to reform 7.62x54 cases, then I would STRONGLY advise you not to use full powered factory loads. If you insist, then pull the bullet from a factory load, dump the powder down the toilet and flush, then use about 10 grains of Unique, fill the rest of the case with corn meal, and a small dab of toilet paper to keep it in place.

Insert carefully in the chamber, keeping the muzzle up. Point into the air, and fire it. It should blow out the case.

IMPORTANT --- USE BRASS CASES NOT THE STEEL MILITARY ONES.

MORE IMPORTANT ---- DO NOT TRY TO FIRE MILITARY STEEL CASED AMMO IN YOUR M95 CHAMBER
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It does have a large S on the barrel and im taking it out now to have a smith check it over. ill keep the 7.62 ammo clear of it and wait till i can get some proper ammo for the thing, i know P and S has surplus ammo for it and ill keep an eye out for that PRVI ammo. Be easier once i starts reloading for it to keep its shooting. Anyone know where to get soft point bullets if i decided to take t hunting with me??
 
I do not know anyone in the Maritimes who stocks Prvi Partizan 8x56R, but Tradex has it in stock.
 
Had almost the same question :yingyang: - once....:eek:


You have to remember that one of the weakest parts of an M-95 is the extractor :redface: - it's the part you'll read breaks :( , more often than not, and is the reason you'll constantly be warned to "load from the magazine, not singe-feed"......:wave:


I once mixed-up a 7.62x54R empty piece of brass for an 8x57mm one in testing an M-95M......:stirthepot2:......the extraction was a nail-biter !....:D
 
The rifles (and carbines) were MADE in 8x50R. This number is no longer made anywhere, has not been made since WW2 but may be made easily by trimming 7.62x54R and opening out the case-mouths to handle a .323 slug. Original bulet was RN, FMJ and 247 grains. I can't afford a set of dies, so I use my 8mm Lebel dies on the shoulder. Works fine. Original firearms in this calibre were made in Austria and Hungary, in Austria for export (to Bulgaria and some to Chile). This was the original World War One calibre. Rifles were used in this calibre in both Balkan Wars and during the Great War. Many changed hands and ended up in the inventories of small countries which did not modify them further; these, and rifles which escaped mods in Central Europe, are the source of the few rifles we have in the original calibre.

MOST were altered in 1930/31 to handle the 8x56R30M cartridge. THIS is the rifle identified by the 12mm "S" on the chamber. This one you can get brass for from Trade-Ex, also the special .329 slugs in both SPBT and the original pointed FMJBT types; weight is 208 grains. They are made by Prvi Partizan in Serbia. Alternatively, you can blow out 7.62x54R very easily, open out the case-mouths and load with the .329 projectile. This gives you a slightly-short casing but it will work. I do not recommend firing full military loads in this manner for blowing-out the brass, as there is a fair bit of expansion involved and the brass might split. Steel cases VERY likely would split if fired in this manner, but pressures would be very low, perhaps low enough to generate a gas blow-back through the action (nasty). Stay with proper brass. Avoid steel. Rifles in this calibre will be from the war stocks of Austria, Hungary and Bulgaria, all of which adopted the Model 30 cartridge. BTW, if you have the dies (or a lot of other die sets) you can use this brass to make ammo for an original rifle; this involves FL sizing, necking down, trimming and loading.

Rifles marked M95M on the forward receiver ring have been altered in Yugoslavia to handle the 7.92x57 German cartridge. Ordinary 8mm Mauser works fine in these rifles. Yugoslavia ended up, through Serbian, Montengrin and Imperial Austrian war stocks, and through captures in War Two, with a sizable number of 95 straight-pulls, many of which were so converted.

I rather doubt it would even be possible to chamber the 7.6zx54R, the 8x50R or the 8x56R30M cartridge in a rifle modded for 7.92; the case would go about halfway in, swedge itself in solid and it would be a b*tch to get out. Brass rod and hammer time: saves (very) scarce extactors.

Identify your rifle positively, THEN start making up the proper ammo for that rifle. Saves a WORLD of frustration.

Hope this helps.
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Sincew the rifle is using the enblock clips, and an 8mm mauser will not fit the extractor, and you have an S on the barrel, the short answer from me is yes, you can fire 7,62X54 russiand from it. I used to do this for cheap fun from my m95s and to Fireform. The 54r rim will extract and operate in an m95.
One caveat, be carefull with steel cased 54R as I used to get shoulder and neck splits, but if it was just to make noise and have fun, it really didn`t matter.
Bell as mentioned is available, try the Army Navy, I thought they did deal with BELL, if not, and you want to go reloading, buy some 54r lapua brass from Hirsch Precision in Hali, and fireform it.
 
smellie said:
Rifles marked M95M on the forward receiver ring have been altered in Yugoslavia to handle the 7.92x57 German cartridge. Ordinary 8mm Mauser works fine in these rifles. Yugoslavia ended up, through Serbian, Montengrin and Imperial Austrian war stocks, and through captures in War Two, with a sizable number of 95 straight-pulls, many of which were so converted.

I rather doubt it would even be possible to chamber the 7.6zx54R, the 8x50R or the 8x56R30M cartridge in a rifle modded for 7.92; the case would go about halfway in, swedge itself in solid and it would be a b*tch to get out. Brass rod and hammer time: saves (very) scarce extactors.

Identify your rifle positively, THEN start making up the proper ammo for that rifle. Saves a WORLD of frustration.

Hope this helps.
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I should have been more specific in my post :redface: - thanks for the stellar clarifications !....:cheers:


But yes ;) , try to always load from the magazine....:yingyang:
 
CYCLONE has an excellent point, one which I should have thought of. Getting old, I guess.

Original rifles still in 8x50R and the later 8x56R30M are loaded with proper Mannlicher clips holding 5 rounds apiece. These are one-way clips holding the rounds in a stepladder pattern; they are NOT the later reversable (either-side-up) clips as used in the Dutch, Rumanian and Italian rifles. The books say that the clips for the 8x50 and the 8x56 are different. I have both here an cannot find any difference. Both work properly in my 8x50 Carbine and in my 8x56 Rifle. There IS a great difference, though, between either of these and the clips used in the original 1886 .433-calibre rifles; perhaps this is where the legend started.

Also, these rifles are designed for Controlled Round Feeding. As the round is stripped from the clip, it rises UNDER the Extractor and is held in place by the Bolt Head as it is chambered. Attempting to toss a round into the chamber and slap the Bolt shut CAN and very often WILL wreck your Extractor....... and just TRY to find another in this country today! ALWAYS load these rifles from the Magazine, just the same as you do the same thing for ANY rifle with Controlled Round Feeding: P-13, P-14, P-17, Mausers 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 98, Springfield, MN, Carcanos, other Mannlichers, etc.

Rifles modded for the 7.92x57 German cartridge will not use Mannlicher clips but DO use Mauser 'stripper type' Chargers. They, also, should always be loaded from the Magazine.

Hope this helps.
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