My Norc 14 has fired out of battery twice. It has at most 100rds through it, all South African ball.Each time I have found the gas cylinder nut loose. I tighten it with proper tool before firing sessions. What's the problem?(It double fires, does not run mag dry).
Firing out of battery
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I doubt it fired out of battery. In 99% of the cases when a gun fires out of battery, serious damage is cased to the firearm and possibly injury to the handler due to the immense pressures now being directed rearwards into the magazine well instead of being contained by the chamber and guided down the barrel.
The fact that you had more then one such incidents without ( I assume) damage to the firearm and injury to yourself leads me to believe that what you're talking about is a slam fire, where the firing pin is in the forward position, protruding through the bolt face, even before you pull the trigger.
That could be caused by a very dirty bolt assembly, that causes the firing pin to stay engaged.
Clean your bolt assembly better and make sure the firing pin moves beyond and inside the face of the bolt with ease.
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check your fired brass for a pierced primer somewhere along the line. this can lead to a shard of primer brass entering the firing pin hole alongside the firing pin, causing it to stick forward and slam fire. I agree with the above that a out of battery firing would be an event that would no doubt noticably damage the firearm .... and the shooter 
strip yer bolt, clean it out, dry it out... do not oil or grease the internals of the bolt. try shooting again, with only ONE round in the mag
once the one shot has been fired, follow these steps exactly.
remove magazine
let oprod fly home to close bolt
squeeze trigger
observe the following
if trigger does not go click and drop the hammer, this means that your hammer is following the bolt, which will also cause a slam fire ... double..... or f/a this rifle is not safe to shoot
if you pull the trigger and it behaves as it should.... ie: it goes click and drops the hammer .... you are safe to repeat the steps above with 2 rounds in the chamber
follow the same steps and observations above. If your bolt is clean and dry internally, and the trigger group behaves as it should..... and your rifle still doubles or slam fires..... it needs the attention of a gunsmith educated in the M14 rifle.... or return under marstar warranty if that is availlable to you.
strip yer bolt, clean it out, dry it out... do not oil or grease the internals of the bolt. try shooting again, with only ONE round in the mag
once the one shot has been fired, follow these steps exactly.
remove magazine
let oprod fly home to close bolt
squeeze trigger
observe the following
if trigger does not go click and drop the hammer, this means that your hammer is following the bolt, which will also cause a slam fire ... double..... or f/a this rifle is not safe to shoot
if you pull the trigger and it behaves as it should.... ie: it goes click and drops the hammer .... you are safe to repeat the steps above with 2 rounds in the chamber
follow the same steps and observations above. If your bolt is clean and dry internally, and the trigger group behaves as it should..... and your rifle still doubles or slam fires..... it needs the attention of a gunsmith educated in the M14 rifle.... or return under marstar warranty if that is availlable to you.
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I have found with one of my M14s, even though it there are no visual signs of a pierced primer, every time I go shoot it, at the end of the day, Imy firing pin is no longer loose in the bolt.I strip the bolt and every time, there are small shards of metal in the firing pin channel. The key is to learn how to properly strip, then re-assemble the bolt.Im not sure where, but there is a link posted somewhere here, if you use the search function, with useful tips on how to re-assemble your bolt.The secret for me was cutting off one coil off of the plunger spring, as it is too long.Now, I am able to re-assemble my bolt every time, in seconds, with-out a special tool or extra set of hands!!
You shouldn't have to disassemble your bolt after shooting. You have a burr somewhere, or a rough bolt face or a rough firing pin head that "files" brass off the case ever time one gets loaded and ejected. That can be fixed.
Possibly not tight enough initially. Its a good idea to have a gas cylinder wrench so you can hold the barrel and gas cylinder solidly while you tighten the gas plug nut. Mine stopped mysteriously loosening after I starting tightening it more firmly.
no offense but what you are saying here is not good advice.
I strip my rifle after every range trip..... bolt and all. How can one practice proper preventative and regular maintenance on the firearm without disassembling the bolt??
Wow. I hope you are stripping your bolt in a room with no carpet and no furniture. Either that or you're really good at hide and go seek.
I stripped my bolt once and spent the rest of the nigh chasing down all the little spring loaded parts.
I found aerosol cleaners to be much easier.
Can you take your bolt assembly apart every time you go shooting? Sure. Do you have to? No, you don't. It even says so in the manual.
are you refering to the marstar manual
guys... i spend near every day building , tuning, tweaking..... norinco m14 rifles.... just for ####zngiggles. from standard tune ups to full boat match rifles. If you want to believe what that hokey little manual says...... yer rifle.... yer decision. From my experience, stripping the bolt is regular maintenance and I've personally witnessed that pesky lil brass shard in the firing pin channel enough times..... in otherwise immaculately maintained rifles .... to strip my bolt as part of my regular cleaning and maintenance routine.
Now my opinion is just that, take it for whatever value you want to attach to it.
guys... i spend near every day building , tuning, tweaking..... norinco m14 rifles.... just for ####zngiggles. from standard tune ups to full boat match rifles. If you want to believe what that hokey little manual says...... yer rifle.... yer decision. From my experience, stripping the bolt is regular maintenance and I've personally witnessed that pesky lil brass shard in the firing pin channel enough times..... in otherwise immaculately maintained rifles .... to strip my bolt as part of my regular cleaning and maintenance routine.
Now my opinion is just that, take it for whatever value you want to attach to it.
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OK......ACP I usually agree with you on M14 type topics.....you save me a lit of typing these days as you usually get the answer to a tread faster than I do......but this time I..........I don't think you are 100% here.
If we were talking about an M16/AR platform I'd say you were bang on, but with the M14......no. If you want to strip it down every time.....go at it.
I have had several M14 types that haven't been cleaned in......well honestly over 4000+ rounds, let alone a bolt strip down.
If you are in adverse weather and submit the 14 to the elements, rain in specific, you are probably the man. I don't think trips to the range warrant this, but if you see shredded brass all over the receiver and bolt.....then it would be a good idea.
I usually have so much plastilube in the extractor and ejector area that I usually just blow out the firing pin area with compressed air from the bolt face back, this has always cleaned out any brass that I've had floating around.
Now this is only my opinion....and there haven't been many things for me to pipe up about on CGN and I'm kind of bored tonight.
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I am the same way, all of my guns get thoroughly cleaned every time they go to the range,bolt and all.I am not sure why I get the small shards of brass etc in the firing pin channel, but since I am able to dis-assemble and re-assemble the bolt with a blindfold, I have no problem doing it every time!
I have examined the surface pretty carefully, and have not found any burrs, or anything that seems abnormal( compared to my other m14) so I am at as loss as to why I get metal in the firing pin channel every time I go shooting!!!
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My one m14 seems to get enough after 100 rounds that the firing pin will be pretty much stuck after 100 rounds or so.
