Firing shot through rifled barrels: range report with photos
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If you do, please post pictures!
I recall a Guns&Ammo article years ago by Ross Seyfreid regarding the Paradox guns, and he said the key was that the rifled portion of the barrel was also choked (quite tightly if I recall), and that was also the reason for the shape of the "bullet", the necked area gave the lead somewhere to go when it was squeezed through the tight choke. Maybe this tight choke compensated for the rifling to some extent?
perhaps doubleman can measure the choke?
he also did a project that turned a 44 mag revolver into a "paradox".
I stopped buying G&A when he stopped writing for it.
perhaps doubleman can measure the choke?
he also did a project that turned a 44 mag revolver into a "paradox".
I stopped buying G&A when he stopped writing for it.
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My paradox has a very slight choke that tapers from the start of the rifling to the muzzle. It would be .005 at the most and now that I think about it with the bullet being bore dia none of the paradox guns could have a tight choke. The shape of the bullet is designed to help stabilize the bullet in flight not to alow constriction.
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Rifle vs Smoothbore in .22LR
I did not know untill last winter that a .22LR smoothbore gun was made. Last summer I bought a box of Federal .22LR shotshells and fired them from an old tip-up single shot "Rifle". The results were poor to say the least, the pattern at 5 meters was almost a meter around and took 5 shells to even show up on paper with the #12 shot pellets that are loaded in that shell.
By accident, in researching an old gun model I found out that Remington, and maybe others, have made smoothbore .22LR guns. They still do and I have a Remington 572BDL Smoothbore on order.
Last winter I set the boys at the club to look for a used smoothbore .22LR and lucked out and they found me a new Savage MK1-G-SB.
The .22LR Shotshell fired from a Shotgun is a very effective shell if shot at targets in its range at distances in its range.
Small vermin are dead up to 20 meters and larger targets at a meter or two are dead ducks. At 3 meters these shells, fired from a smoothbore, hit like a slug and cut a big hole. At longer ranges mouse to rat size targets just stop moving.
This is a little known gun and the world has to many small vermin as a result.
I did not know untill last winter that a .22LR smoothbore gun was made. Last summer I bought a box of Federal .22LR shotshells and fired them from an old tip-up single shot "Rifle". The results were poor to say the least, the pattern at 5 meters was almost a meter around and took 5 shells to even show up on paper with the #12 shot pellets that are loaded in that shell.
By accident, in researching an old gun model I found out that Remington, and maybe others, have made smoothbore .22LR guns. They still do and I have a Remington 572BDL Smoothbore on order.
Last winter I set the boys at the club to look for a used smoothbore .22LR and lucked out and they found me a new Savage MK1-G-SB.
The .22LR Shotshell fired from a Shotgun is a very effective shell if shot at targets in its range at distances in its range.
Small vermin are dead up to 20 meters and larger targets at a meter or two are dead ducks. At 3 meters these shells, fired from a smoothbore, hit like a slug and cut a big hole. At longer ranges mouse to rat size targets just stop moving.
This is a little known gun and the world has to many small vermin as a result.
This thread sorta points out why so many find the .22 birdshot useless...precious few of us have smoothbore .22's!
That said, a good many of us have well-used .22's....
Excellent thread, btw!
I first posted to this thread on the first page and did not follow up till now.
I noticed someone in the middle of the babble say that .22lr shot shells are useless.
This guy did not get the gist of this thread. Shoot shells are only usefull in shot guns.
That means smoothbore. The paradox gun is an interesting possible exception.
This summer the shop at work had several pests walk and fly in like they owned the place. My smoothbore .22lr and the shot shells made quik work of them with very little and mostly no damage to the building. I have shot pidgeons of the window sile without breaking the glass.
To add more personal expirence to this, since that first post of mine I have bought a
Taurus Judge, blued with a 6.5" barrel. This is a rifled gun and the pattern suffers baddly.
As luck would have it, the first time at the range to test fire the new gun, a ground squirrel was at the door to the building. I loaded up 5 shells, (2.5" Winchester HS with #6 shoot), and let him have the whole wheel full. At a range of about 5 to 6 meters the little bugger walked away dazzed and maybe confused but plainly not dead.
Further tests have shown a range on clay pidgeons of about 2 to 5 meters using #9 shot. At the 20 yard pistol target board we found that the pattern was a circle with at least a foot in the middle with no holes what so ever. All the shot was in the ring.
I noticed someone in the middle of the babble say that .22lr shot shells are useless.
This guy did not get the gist of this thread. Shoot shells are only usefull in shot guns.
That means smoothbore. The paradox gun is an interesting possible exception.
This summer the shop at work had several pests walk and fly in like they owned the place. My smoothbore .22lr and the shot shells made quik work of them with very little and mostly no damage to the building. I have shot pidgeons of the window sile without breaking the glass.
To add more personal expirence to this, since that first post of mine I have bought a
Taurus Judge, blued with a 6.5" barrel. This is a rifled gun and the pattern suffers baddly.
As luck would have it, the first time at the range to test fire the new gun, a ground squirrel was at the door to the building. I loaded up 5 shells, (2.5" Winchester HS with #6 shoot), and let him have the whole wheel full. At a range of about 5 to 6 meters the little bugger walked away dazzed and maybe confused but plainly not dead.
Further tests have shown a range on clay pidgeons of about 2 to 5 meters using #9 shot. At the 20 yard pistol target board we found that the pattern was a circle with at least a foot in the middle with no holes what so ever. All the shot was in the ring.
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Nice test! You just saved me some work, I won't even bother with it now.Just picked up a 20" fully rifled for my 870, I'll stick to the Lyman sabots! Thanks again and good on ya!
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Rifled and smooth bore shot barrels
For many years european shotgun manufacturers have produced what were called canon barrelled doubles, with one barrel having a very slow twist rifling system for use in dense cover, to rapidly open shot patterns at 15/20 meters, they work well, many times better than my own reflexes, they are ideally designed to work with felt wads, as plastic wads hold the shot together to well, and I have on occasions, hit the bird with the plastic wad, which don't make for a pretty kill.regards Bully
For many years european shotgun manufacturers have produced what were called canon barrelled doubles, with one barrel having a very slow twist rifling system for use in dense cover, to rapidly open shot patterns at 15/20 meters, they work well, many times better than my own reflexes, they are ideally designed to work with felt wads, as plastic wads hold the shot together to well, and I have on occasions, hit the bird with the plastic wad, which don't make for a pretty kill.regards Bully
More shotgun options.
Since my last post to this thread I have now got a Reminton model 121 pump action repeater in .22lr SMOOTHBORE!!!!!!!
This a neat gun. The bore is back bored to about 3/8" for about half of the length. From the sharp end of the gun this looks mean but the pattern is very good. I have taken roosting pigeons two at a time from about 5 yards and at over 40 feet out of the rafters of an old seed cleaning plant.
Last week I got a T/C Contender pistol with a 45Colt/.410 barrel. This gun has a screw-in splined choke to stop the spin from the rifling. Compared to the Taurus Judge with its 6.5 inch rifled barrel this 10 inch barrel with the choke shoots a much tighter pattern but is still range limited. At 20 yards the pattern is over 3 feet.
I have a new .410 load book from Ballistic Products, Inc and look forward to a winter of loading up such things as a .410 that shoots #8 lead shot at 1700 fps and single round balls at 2600 fps. If the results warrant I may post pictures.
Since my last post to this thread I have now got a Reminton model 121 pump action repeater in .22lr SMOOTHBORE!!!!!!!
This a neat gun. The bore is back bored to about 3/8" for about half of the length. From the sharp end of the gun this looks mean but the pattern is very good. I have taken roosting pigeons two at a time from about 5 yards and at over 40 feet out of the rafters of an old seed cleaning plant.
Last week I got a T/C Contender pistol with a 45Colt/.410 barrel. This gun has a screw-in splined choke to stop the spin from the rifling. Compared to the Taurus Judge with its 6.5 inch rifled barrel this 10 inch barrel with the choke shoots a much tighter pattern but is still range limited. At 20 yards the pattern is over 3 feet.
I have a new .410 load book from Ballistic Products, Inc and look forward to a winter of loading up such things as a .410 that shoots #8 lead shot at 1700 fps and single round balls at 2600 fps. If the results warrant I may post pictures.
