First Glock 17, comparison with P7M8 *56k agony!*

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With the great deals on Glock pistols out there I finally broke down and picked one up. Pictures speak a thousand words:













Initial impressions:
-The Glock isn't that big, considering the P7M8 is one of the smallest non-prohib pistols available on the market here, the G17 seemed relatively compact.

-I find the grip (gen 3.5) rather comfortable, the angle seems natural and the finger grooves + serrations provide for a secure grip and good traction. Grip width seems adequate for me.

-The human interface component is satisfactory, although I would still much prefer some kind of manual safety. The mag release and slide release are both easily accessible but the mag release button is somewhat small IMO and the slide release lever should protrude out a bit more, but I guess concessions were made optimizing the pistol for holster carry. Vertical ribbing on the slide makes it easy to grip and ####.

-The sight arrangement allows for quick target acquisition, the fixed rear "wrapping" bar and dot provides good contrast.

-Mechanically the handgun is ingeniously simply. Disassembly is straightforward and gives the user access to any maintenance-intensive parts. The Glock uses a vertically tilting locked breech that is short recoil operated. Tried and tested principle courtesy of the acumen of small arms messiah John Browning. The external extractor also functions as a loaded-chamber indicator, the ejector is located inside the slide and pushes cartridges forward and to the right. The service pistol trigger is just that. Can't really complain about it, but it works. I've yet to shoot it, but from what I can see this is a very robust and simply design that should keep on going with little maintenance.
 
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Thanks for the review Koalorka, I may just add a little.
For many years I really don't like the look of Glock but I do know they are very good and reliable shooter. I wasn't want to buy one because my CZ shoot like a dream, but the great deal of price and I had little green in my pocket.....:D Glock pisol is very simple in design, the flame is quite cheap made but I am quite interesting to see the four slide contact point work really well. I load up some 4.8gr winchester super field, 124 gr cmj round nose to test the gun. It kick heavier than my CZ but the grouping is surprising a little better then the CZ. I have no problem with all sort of different safety feature as I never use them and therefore the safety action is a benifit. Trigger pull is quite heavy but can get use to.Take down cleaning is so easy and simple. For a price a little less than six hundred, it is a damn good buy. All and all I am very happy with this little gun.

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I just bought a Glock G22 from Armco to see what all the fuss is about over these pistols. I'm going to hit the range with it tommorow, but I have to say, it sure is comfortable to hold, it really feels good in the hand, balances well, the grips and angle seem very natural, dead simple inside and out. The only gripe I would possibly have is that the magazine release button is a bit small, and for those of us with smaller hands, you have to sort of change your grip to release it. Other than that though, it really does feel good in my hand.
 
I had a Glock 22 years back. I prefer my current Sig P226 (old model) but the Glock had a lot going for it.

I'm a southpaw and using my index finger to operate the mag release and slide release, I could shoot faster that most righties. As a lefty you don't have to change your grip at all to use the index finger to hit the mag release like a righty has to, to use their thumb. With no external safeties it operates truly ambidextrous like a revolver.

So what I can add to this thread is that if you are a lefty and want to try a Glock but are afraid of it not being operator friendly, don't worry it is. When it comes down to the Sig vs Glock for me, the Sig simply fits my hand better. They both shoot very well and at the prices of Glocks these days I think I'm tempted to getting one in 9mm.
 
How soon we forget my post of 10/30/07:

'I was at the range today giving my newest toy (custom 9mm 1911A1) a workout. NOT! I could not get the firing pin to make contact with the primers. I was shooting Winchester White Box and then some of Remington’s $58 for 250 round stuff. I did break primer on two rounds of the later ammo and then it was back to not getting the firing pin to make contact with the primers. I was upset and in a quandary of how to save the day? My solution was to go to the Mercedes and get my Glock 17 (G17). The G17 never missed a beat and grouped very well.

I was using factory 17 round magazines with my G17. Is it just me or does it seem like it takes forever to empty a 17 round magazine? In all honesty, it is nice to only use three magazines to shoot a box of 50 rounds:)

I am sure the 1911 is suffering from either a short firing pin or a broken one. Why? When it did break primer, it functioned perfectly. The two rounds that I got to fire did not group any better than those from my $475 G17.

Thank God that I had the sense to have the trusty G17 in the back of the SUV.

Regards,

Richard :D"
 
Yah, thanks... another reminder of how stupid I was to sell mine :(... oh well, the year is young. :redface:
(On a critical note... try using a less "busy" background for your pics. The resolution is superb, but a lot of detail is lost. [/ducking])
 
I have only shot a handful of pistols, so I am no expert. But I love my Glock 17.

Its comfortable, accurate and has never missed a beat. I have never regretted buying it.
 
New to Glock

I'm also a P7 fan and just bought a pair of G20s from Questar.

I bought the first one reluctantly and only because of the 10mm chambering. However after shooting it I have really grown to appreciate the simplicity, effectiveness and ergonomics of the Glock design and its surprising accuracy. I have huge hands so the G20 fits me great as well.

It is a bit of a shock to take the G20 apart and feel how heavy the slide is and how light the frame is in contrast (I'm - or was - an "all metal gun' kind of guy). Despite this wonky setup it feels better to shoot (using full power 175 GR Winchester Silvertips) than any other 10MM I have fired (inlcuding the Colt DE and even the Bren Ten).

Frankly, I'm disappointed at myself for having had an unfounded bias against them for so long (for some reason I always thought of them as cheap plastic guns used by "gangstas").

While the P7 is in a league of its own from a design and construction standpoint, the Glocks are 1/3 the price - unbeatable value for what is an outstanding firearm.

Don't dis Koalorka's photography skills. I'm hoping he'll post a follow-up pic of his G17 similar to the outstanding pic he posted of the "police officer" with the P7 a while ago :D
 
Better comparison is G19 and the P7 series .

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I love my P7M13 so much so it`s a safe queen.But If I needed one gun to carry the G19 is the winner .
 
I'm really falling in like with this pistol. Shot it, groups nicely and the feedback is pleasant. With the X300 mounted, never missed a beat with WWB and some odd PMC. The sights are pretty intuitive, just place the dot in the "box" and it grouped consistently at 25 m. I honestly see no reason to own any other handgun, it does everything. I'm waiting to get my TangoDown extended mag release (designed by Larry Vickers), which was my only complaint. I might try some nights sights, possibly the XS or some standard Trijicons, this being my new Zombie containment tool, some night capability is required.
 
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