First rifle

Denich

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well actually first gun altogether

im looking at savage mk2 .22lr just because its the cheapest one available

anyone has any experience with this particular gun? should i get it, should i stay away from it?

also if anyone knows where i can buy a cheaper rifle let me know :D
 
Get Marlin 795 or Marlin 60, excellent .22 guns, very inexpensive and good quality.
 
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For the money, it is a good gun. Accuracy will improve with practice. If you are not sure whether you will continue shooting, perhaps buy a cheaper used .22 from on here and enjoy. my favourite is a Cooey single with a 3x9x scope that shooys loonies at 100 yards. It was made in the 60s, but yet shoots great , not a looker .
 
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No matter who says what Savage MkII is an excellent rifle. Spending more on CZ or whatever is just a matter of aestetics, Savage is just as accurate and pleasant to shoot.
 
if you are looking for something to target shoot with, shop around and get a used .22 target rifle, they are usually around the $200-250 mark and the difference will be night and day.
excellent sights, better stock, better heavy barrel, better trigger. unless you get the target model savage .22, which is $400, the sights on it will be quite poor and youll probably end up scoping it.

of course if you intend to use this for stalking around and hunting then the target rifle is too big and unwieldy.... but they are great for sniping critters from a fixed position though.

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a .22 bolt action is a great choice for a first gun, itll fire just about any ammo and is very cheap to shoot.

i stole the anschutz .22 image from the EE, its still on sale - perhaps you could get the guy down on price a bit?
 
I have a Savage MK II GL that is pre-Accutrigger. I just came back from the range, and this cheap little rifle never fails to amaze me. When I can get my breathing and trigger pull under control, I can shoot sub-MOA groups at 50 yards without even trying...using cheapo American Eagle ammo.

The Accutrigger model would be even sweeter. Because of the performance of this little rimfire, I bought another Savage rifle recently (111 FL in .30-06), and I'm looking to get maybe a Model 93R17 GL in the near future. Don't let the price tag fool you...these rifles are accurate.
 
Its a great gun for a beginner, Pretty decent wait, pretty accurate. and the accutrigger is a nice little gimmick
I would recommend it for the price definitely.
 
I had three Savage Mark II FSS rifles, the 2nd and 3rd due to warranty service from one original purchase, so I had three from three different manufacturing runs. They were all crap. The CZ I got after is not even in the same league, and isn't that much more money. The AccuTrigger was the only good thing on the whole rifle. I can understand getting one lemon, but not three from three different production runs with varying degrees of the same problems. The last one was even taken care of personally by the head of quality control, and it was the worst of all three, heh. If you really can't afford to get anything other than the Savage, well, there is no need for any discussion at all. Get the Savage. I'd exercise a little patience and save a little bit longer to enable yourself to get a CZ. The price difference is not astronomical, but the performance difference is.
No matter who says what Savage MkII is an excellent rifle. Spending more on CZ or whatever is just a matter of aestetics, Savage is just as accurate and pleasant to shoot.
 
#1:

Chamber wasn't the greatest, had a small amount of blowby with certain ammo, was fine with others. Guess it depended on the hardness of the brass in any given ammo.

Crown nicked, gouged, and grooved - seems the crowning tools they use are perpetually worn out and chipped, from the looks of the "finished" crown. It was very rough and uneven.

Pits in the bore roughly 3" from the muzzle - a consistent ring of pits around the entire circumference of the bore a set distance down from the muzzle, which leads me to believe the awesome crowning cutters also have severely worn out pilots, the end of which chatter around in there, leaving the ring of pits.

Bolt stop wear - The bottom of the bolt was slowly being hammered downwards from hitting the bolt stop as you cycle the bolt. Was getting worse and worse fairly quickly. It was as if the thing hadn't been heat-treated at all. And Savage later confirmed that they don't heat-treat their bolts, and this was "normal" wear that I was seeing and was not a concern. But it was already getting harder to remove the bolt, as it seemed the trigger couldn't be pulled back far enough to release. This was due to this portion of the metal getting stuck out further and further.

Sights canted, as if the dovetails were machined lopsided. Later I thought it was probably just that the barrel had been pinned in at an angle rather than level.

Poor action-stock fit. I don't know if this intentionally was by design, or a mistake in design. The forestock has a channel cut out for the barrel to go through, which is supposed to be free-floated. But the area was too tall, and when the action screws were snugged down the barrel was jammed against this portion of the forestock hard enough to cause a change in the point of impact of well over 2" at 50 yards. I found this out after I noticed the contact and placed some washers on the action screws between the stock and the action. This lifted the barrel out of contact with the stock, and my POI changed by over 2" at that point.

Failure to extract fairly often.

Weak ejection.

Failure to feed with some ammo, particularly CCI models. Rounds would get stuck in the magazine, with their noses wedged against the front of the mag. I think simply bending the front of the mag out slightly would have solved this, but it went back to Savage anyways, what with all the other issues.


#2:

Same chamber problems, but to a lesser degree.

Same crown problems, but to a lesser degree.

Luckily, I didn't see any pits in this bore.

Same bolt problem, just as quickly.

Same sights/barrel canted issue.

Same stock fit issue.

Same extraction problem.

Same ejection problem.

Failure to feed problem fixed. Savage said they made a slight revision to the magazine design. In other words, they started leaving the front of it bent slightly more outwards so that the noses of the bullets would no longer rub/catch on it.

The outside of the barrel was pretty rusty as soon as I got it. Stainless, mind you. Looks like it was banged around against regular steel objects in the shop, causing tons of nicks and scratches everywhere, which subsequently rusted from the steel deposited there. This one almost shot well enough to just go get it recrowned and be somewhat satisfied with it. Wasn't outstanding, but wasn't really poor. Probably could have coaxed it to shoot decently. But the rust bugged me enough to get it looked after. Another mistake.


#3:

Same chamber problems, worst of the bunch. Lots of vertical stringing, and a substantial amount of sooty marks on the cases from all the blowby, with all ammo I tried.

Same crown problems, worst of the bunch.

Pits in the bore near the muzzle, same as #1. Only this time, this one also had similar pits near the chamber end! Sheesh.

Same bolt problem, just as quickly.

This one had properly aligned sights/barrel, rather than being slightly rotated like the first two.

Same stock fit issue.

Extraction and ejection with this one seemed to have been worked out. I guess this one had the same replacement parts that people have been getting when phoning Savage to complain about these two problems.

Failure to feed problem did not return, still good here.


As I stated, #3 was looked after personally by the head of quality control, Greg Sage, so I don't know how it ended up being the worst of the bunch. I'd say his mind was elsewhere, as he took it upon himself to mention several times on the phone to me that he was going into surgery soon, as if he were chatting with an old buddy or something. And the rifle apparently suffered for the preoccupation. I imagine it is certainly possible that they can make nice shooting rifles for a nice price, but my three examples were all dumpster-worthy.
 
Well, from your description, those do sound fairly bad.

FWIW...the only thing I haven't liked 100% in both of my Savage rifles is the stock barrel channel. Specifically, I also found that the barrels on both my Mk II GL and 111 FL slightly touch the barrel on one side near the forend. I had to sand the channel down a little to get the barrel to fully free float, and this improved the performance of the rifle. I haven't dealt with the problem with my 111 yet, because I just got it. It'll most likely be a hunting rifle anyway, and it shoots well enough for that out of the box.

Having said that, everything else about my Savage rifles have been good. None of the other problems that you have mentioned. I'm thinking more and more about the 93R17, and I might just make a trip into Reliable tomorrow to help me make up my mind. :D
 
I still have a MKII, as well as a few others. For the money, I think you are hard pressed to find a better rifle. It will not shoot as good as my CZ, but that's ok. No other rifle in my safe, rimfire or centerfire will shoot as good as my CZ. My only complaint about the Savage is the chamber fouls up, and the extractors not strong enough to remove a spent case when it gets sticky. The solution is to add an extra step to my cleaning routine for that rifle. I put a wire brush on a drill and spin it in the chamber a few times. But that's not just the savage. I also own a Browning T-bolt that has the same problem. Not that it's really a problem at all. It just takes a minute or two longer to clean them. For a first rifle, you'll be happy with the MKII. Keep it clean, and it will treat you well. Mine has sent countless gophers, crows, popcans and pinecones to the great field in the sky. Good luck with your purchase.
 
I agree with whoever said to look on the EE...

I bought a Brno that was made in 1957... older... still functions flawlessly... and shoots like nobody's business...

You'll probably even find a savage in there... for less than retail!

EB
 
Check you local classifieds you should be able to pick up a used savage or the older version Lakefield for 50.00-100.00 dollars. They are perfectly good rifles I have had many and all were good shooters and good bang for the buck. The only problem I had was a mk2 that the stamped steel mag separated on it I just clamped it together and spot welded it. other than that no problems at all.
 
I too lean towards the older rifles. The quality is just not there these days IMO.

Also good if you can find one are the military .22LR trainers.
 
or get a new ruger or remmy
ruger 10\22, 300

remmy 597, 150-200

both have hicap mags farly good acuracy, and fun
 
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