flintlock pistols

A modern reproduction of a Flintlock "Pistol" however has to be registered and of course any reproduction caplock rifle or pistol should also be registered.. I fought with the CFC and the RCMP about this to no avail... I believe even an Antique Flintlock Pistol has to be registered as they aren't listed as exempt and the classification of "Antique doesn't cover them because you have to register flintlock pistols yet "flintlock" be they original or reproduction are also classified as antiques... Strange but I don't make the rules... A flintlock Pistol does have to be registered I know for sure if it's a reproduction anyway...

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/antique_e.asp

" Black Powder Reproductions:

* of flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearms, other than handguns, manufactured after 1897; (All other reproductions must be registered and owners must have a firearm licence to possess them. For example, reproductions of percussion cap muzzle-loading firearms like American Civil War Enfield and Springfield rifles will be considered firearms and not antiques.)"


http://www.militaryheritage.com/pistol5.htm
"Non-Firing State

We sell historically accurate muskets in a non-firing state. A certified gunsmith may alter these pistols to a firing state by drilling the vent hole and test firing it. PLEASE NOTE: Pistols are considered restricted weapons in Canada and in a number of other countries. Please consult with local authorities before making or converting any replica pistol into a firing state. We are not legally responsible for any alteration from its present state, nor any infractions of the law by the owner."

http://www.northernbrigade.org/documents/BorderCryslersFarm2005.pdf
 
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That is not as the law reads. Flintlocks of any manner can be bought and sold without regulation under the law. And without registration. Percussion reproductions are a different situation and need to be registered but originals do not. I own examples of all above both original and reproductions.
 
I believe both Njord and Casull have made some partially incorrect statements. An original muzzle loading pistol of any description (except altered to fire cartridges) is exempt under cc 84 1(a) which defines an antique and cc84 3 which spells out the exemption. The law defines modern flintlocks under cc84 1(b) and SOR 98 464 as antiques but that definition exempts modern flintlock pistols from that definition.

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
I believe both Njord and Casull have made some partially incorrect statements. An original muzzle loading pistol of any description (except altered to fire cartridges) is exempt under cc 84 1(a) which defines an antique and cc84 3 which spells out the exemption. The law defines modern flintlocks under cc84 1(b) and SOR 98 464 as antiques but that definition exempts modern flintlock pistols from that definition.

cheers mooncoon
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Thank you Mooncoon! My flintlock Pistol was a reproduction I just remember being at the loosing end of the argument about it not needing to be registered.
 
Casull said:
Nope, all flintlocks are treated as antiques regardless of date of manufacture as are matchlocks and primitive ignition types.
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ALL post 1898 flintlock pistols are restricted. I have three, and they all go to the range the same way as my modern Instruments of Death & Destruction :rolleyes: One, I bought basically as bag of rusted REGISTERED parts, thanks to the idiot who registered it. In Martin's Garden of Eden, they'll get picked up too.
 
Link

Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

SOR/98-464

Registration 16 September, 1998

CRIMINAL CODE

Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

P.C. 1998-1664 16 September, 1998

His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions "prescribed"a and "antique firearm"a in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)a of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms.

a S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 130

REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS

PRESCRIPTION

1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition "antique firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

COMING INTO FORCE

2. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 1998. SOR/98-472, s. 3.

SCHEDULE
(Section 1)
BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS

1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.

RIFLES

2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.

SHOTGUNS

4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.
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See Blackpowder Reproductions above
 
Mooncoon,
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Percussion originals are antiques, percussion repros are required to be registered. No flintlock requires registration!
 
All post 1897 flintlock pistols are considered reproductions and require registration. If someone can prove otherwise I'd be happy to hear it, as 2 that I have are not "reproductions" of any specific manufactured pistol, only of a style or type, and are therefore "original manufactured flintlocks".
 
Checked on the FRT disk, and Post 1897 repro flintlocks pistols of different manufacturers are all listed as restricted.
 
Casull said:
Mooncoon,
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Percussion originals are antiques, percussion repros are required to be registered. No flintlock requires registration!
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WRONG! Flintlock handgun repros need to be registered. Only repro rifles are exampt. Read the reg - it's VERY clear!
 
I find sometimes it is hard however with Reproduction Flintlocks to tell whether or not they are post 1897.. Seeing how they're exactly the same and sometimes with browning solution etc it sure can look like it's over 100 years old but in surprisingly very good and operational condition!! Yup... Pretty hard to tell...
 
Well i was gona stay outa this mess but Claven 2 is right all modern flintlock pistols need to be registered by modern made after dec 31st 1897.
And Percusion pistols as well.

But in fairness this flintlock percussion stuff is confuseing.:confused:

And pin fires dont even get me going on them someone tells me all pinfires
are Antique well not so. unbeliveably they made em after 1898. :rolleyes:
Or so CFC claim.
 
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