fluting 700 bolt ??

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Is there a place in Canada where i can have my Rem 700 .300 win mag bolt fluted ??

This is only for the look but is there any cons for accuracy and function ??

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Sendero
 
Yes there probaly are places that will take your money to endanger your health.
Fluting a bolt serves NO purpose other than look, but can have disastrous results. The thickness of the Rem 700 bolt is not an accident, it was engineered to ensure shooter safety, when you remove metal by fluting the bolt you are hopeing that there are no flaws in the steel and that the flutes are not deep enough to compromise the bolts integrity.
In the immortal words of Dirty Harry " Do ya feel lucky?"
Personally I would not take the chance. I can almost guarantee you that any factory offered rifles with fluted bolts have more " meat" in the bolt before fluting to deal with the strength issues. :mrgreen:
 
like rick said, if it wasnt fluted from teh factory, DONT DO IT, unless you hate life. Buy a rem titanium fluted action if you want the fluted look, but dont endanger your life
 
The bolt body is only along for the ride, the part that matters are the lugs and the area right next to them. The part of the Remington bolt that I flute is brazed on to the head so that is a moot point, again the body is along for the ride. I'd flute a Remington bolt right through so I could see the spring and pin and touch it off without a worry.
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Send it to Steve, he has WAY better liability insurance than I do!!!!

Sorry Steve , I saw a 700 bolt shatter behind the lugs that allowed the entire bolt to collapse, I don't know exactly what the problem was that caused it, a flaw in the steel most likely but who knows, I do know that a BIG name south of the 49th paid HUGE for the lost eye and lost skull parts after he fluted the bolt. I agree that the body is only there to facilitate containing the firing pin and to have a conveinent place to solder on a bolt handle, which is another reason I don't skeletonize bolt bodies and handles, I have seen bolt handles sheered off from using too much force to open a stuck casing, as well as broken bolt bodies from the same thing. Manure does occur, and I would rather spend my time making guns than being in court, or trying to explain that that loads were the problem, so won't do them for those reasons mostly. :mrgreen:
 
Rick - are you 100% confident that the fluting resulted in the failure. If you had some pictures of the failure or on the fluting that was done it would be help us understand how a failure could occur due to fluting. Perhaps some examples of the work that was done.

Was metallurgy an issue.........overloading etc. etc....

The Savage 110 bolt with its separate head is a pretty good physical example of what is required to resist normal recoil loading.

I can't help but think that the failure you are referring likely resulted from some other issue that the smith may have been responsible for. The fluting of the bolt was likely secondary. Perhaps the receiver is fluted or even the barrel. In any case, I'd like to see the details on actual failure and the findings. If you have a copy of the report or have seen it, that might be helpful.

To pull out the broad brush maybe (and don't get me wrong here) a bit premature. I say this only because of the

I don't know exactly what the problem was that caused it, a flaw in the steel most likely but who knows,
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are you 100% confident that the fluting resulted in the failure.
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Joe
I don't know exactly what the problem was that caused it, a flaw in the steel most likely but who knows
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I think this says it all. Sorry no photos, I am gun maker not a photographer.
I do not think in this instance any actual cause was 100% nailed down., but the upstroke was that if the bolt had not been altered, what would the likelyhood have been?
Yes Savage has a muliti part bolt, but I do not see them fluting and possibly compromising the bodies integrity either from factory.
In my opinion if fluting a bolt served any real purpose then it may be worth the risk, it doesn't however and to mess with the structure, after it was engineered to work, to me is unwise :mrgreen:
 
PGW Steve said:
bolt body is nothing more than a houseing for the spring and pin, you can't convince me that it actually carries any load. Considering that it is a round object in a round hole, how does it support anything?
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Along with the bolt shroud it is also used to contain and direct escaping gas if a primer or case rutures.
 
Steve I am not suggesting it does, directly take a load, other than the torque from loading and unloading the firearm. The 1 I saw that had bad things happen looked like it had shattered directly behind the lugs, and disintegrated enough that the lugs also blew back at the shooter. The action itself looked basically undamaged.
I would venture there were many factors at work here, and all of which we will never know, other than the ruling was " if the bolt had not been modified, blah blah"
As you are probably very aware , getting liability insurance in our line of business is difficult and PRICEY. I choose to not look for litigation more than I have to, so choose to let you do these types of modifications. Same for the installation of AR and Sako extractors in 700 bolts. There are 2 definite lines here as well , those who will and those of us who do not believe it to be a prudent modification :mrgreen:
 
Guntech wrote
"Along with the bolt shroud it is also used to contain and direct escaping gas if a primer or case ruture" ... I've been curious about this ... on Mauser '98's the bolt body is open to allow gas to escape into the magazine well rather than through the bolt to the shooters eye. Also has a pretty good boldt shroud to deflect gas. On the Remington there doesn't seem to be the same provision so the gas (if any) is more likely to find it's way to the shroud..no?.. always wondered about this (although never experienced a problem with either action) .... AP
 

The Remington 700 design is the strongest most gas proof bolt action ever produced that I am aware of.

Basically unless you have altered the bolt face(as in altering the factory style extractor), you will not get much gas escaping rearwards around the outside of the bolt, you may get a little inside the bolt through the firing pin hole, but that would be a very small amount due to the fit of the firing pin to the bolt body.
 
Can't argue pro or con on the structural integrity of the bolt. But from what I have seen on Fluted bolts is more open area for dirt and #### to find its way into your rifle and more surface area for it to collect. other than looking pretty I can't see any practical reason to flute a bolt. Just my opinion here.
 
Well, I would hazard a guess that the fluting was not the issue here. Perhaps there were other modifcations to the bolt face and or head space etc... at this point it is senseless to discuss.

Fluting the bolt offers a weight reduction which in some instances is a benefit. The weak link on soldered bolts is the joint and not the fluted body, unless someone removed a grossly large amount. There is no majic here.

Rick - I guess some of use don't like multi tasking into photography etc....where does it stop :lol: :lol: Perhaps some other reader who may be familiar with this incident would care to enlighten us.....
 
strangely enough those who use fluted bolts often say it's to help with cleaning crap out of the action (in sandy environments say).
 
The cleanliness issue is an interesting one. I doubt it helps keep stuff out, since it certainly offers particles the opportunity to work into the receiver (especially spiral flutes) and jam it up.


The military rifles are probably the best examples of extreme construction to avoid frozen actions etc. and I don't recall seeing any fluted ones there.
 
Bolts are fluted for four reasons. (1) To reduce weight. The weight reduction possible is actually minimal. (2) To look like the weight has been reduced! (3) To reduce the contact area in the bridge and thus reduce friction. (4 and maybe the most important) Because the customer thinks it looks neat!
No reasonable amount of fluting on a Remington bolt will have any effect whatsoever on strength or safety. Fluting on a Remington is not carried forward of the bolt head/body joint.
Ultimately, if a gunsmith is not comfortable performing a given modification, he shouldn't do it! The basis of his reservation is not important. Regards, Bill.
 
Well said Bill. I don't believe ther are a variety of directions by custom action makers and smiths on diameter reductions in the fluted area. Custom actions like the Nesika etc., do undersize the diameter of the fluted area. Haven't measured up the Stolle but the Farley keeps the OD constant through fluting area.

One point not mentioned is that if you have a repeater it is recommended to go with a spiral flute as opposed to a straight flute...........easier on the case in the magazine.
 
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