Fluting
- Thread starter Hagar
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I would suggest sending a message to PR Precision he has some prices and photos in his forum posts.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php/540-PR-Precision
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/forumdisplay.php/540-PR-Precision
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Questions for you. What are you trying to accomplish? Weight saving or just looks cool?
Fluting a 700 bolt is a BAD idea as the bolt is comprised of a few pieces that are induction brazed (fancy silver soldering) I have seen fluted 700 bolts where the bolt body was milled so deep as to cut through the soldering. My opinion is this grossly compromises the integrity of the bolt. It's all good until you have a problem right? Remember your are essentially placing your face right beside a pipe bomb and setting it off, in theory the blast will be contained and the projectile goes down range. BUT a hot load or barrel obstruction can certainly change the end results from as predicted to catastrophic, so my question is do you really want to expose yourself to a potential nightmare should things go bad? The 1/4 ounce of weight saved bu fluting a bolt is not worth it in my opinion.
If you do go ahead make sure whom ever does the work is properly insured just in case of catastrophic failure. Suing some backyard "gunsmith" who can't afford insurance is a waste of time and money. Nothing can replace an eye or the side of your face.
Fluting a barrel also serve no real purpose apart fro it may look cool. Again the ounce or so you might lose in overall weight is insignificant.
The proponents of fluted barrels claim they will cool faster, which is true however they will also heat up faster, but more importantly the fluted barrel will heat up unevenly. How that can be good for accuracy eludes me.
We are seeing more and more fluted barrels come in as they are shot out. The flutes can be seen from the inside of the barrel with use of a bore scope. The metal where the flutes were cut tend to have far greater firecracking than the non fluted areas.
Although we have the equipment and expertise to such fluting we do not for the above mentioned reasons.
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You won't find a Remington 700 with a fluted bolt. Barrels yes as there is no real safety concern, and it adds to the bottom line as they charge more for the useless feature.
Several custom action manufacturers and some factory offerings of production rifles do offer fluted bolts, but in all cases that I am aware of the bolts are either 1 piece designs or are engineered to make up for the structural integrity loss.
As you have noted, some people think they look cool. It doesn't have to be useful to the rifle if its useful to the marketing department.
The remington titaniums came with a fluted bolt.I get your point but i'am just saying they did.
As mentioned by bdb.hunting I do bolt fluting.
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
PR Cook is correct. If the body or action mattered in the way of safety you wouldn't find a plastic bolt attached to steel lugs on the original remington 710 and you wouldn't find a plastic action on a keltec su-16. Your lugs and what they lock into is what matters in the way of safety.
As mentioned by bdb.hunting I do bolt fluting.
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
Looks great .How much is bolt fluting going for these days?Do you do differents styles?And what about milling bolt handles?Thanks
As mentioned by bdb.hunting I do bolt fluting.
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
Thanks for the info that is more along what I thought about the bolt body and the locking lugs. I must admit I was getting alittle confused on the functions of the bolt body and locking lugs.
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
Thanks for the info that is more along what I thought about the bolt body and the locking lugs. I must admit I was getting alittle confused on the functions of the bolt body and locking lugs.
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As mentioned by bdb.hunting I do bolt fluting.
As ATRS points out, it provides very little in the way of weight reduction and should realistically be considered an aesthetic procedure.
As ATRS further points out Remington bolts can be botched if the smith is a gorilla who flutes too deep, too close to the solder joint behind the bolt head.
However, I disagree to the structural integrity aspect. the pressure is contained by the locking lugs. period. If you don't mess with those you haven't altered the safety of the rifle. the bolt body does two things: center the locking lugs in the race way and house the firing pin.
The answer is, don't botch a fluting job... no different from not botching a threading job or chambering job or any other job.
Cheers!
I agree about botched anything, but personally I have seen waaaay too many blown up rifles in my 50 years in the industry and have been to court as an expert witness too many times to buy that the bolt body does not feature into the overall structure of the rifle. To compromise the integrity that was engineered into a part simply for looks makes no sense to me. YMMV
I cant see anything behind the locking lugs doing anything for safety or strength, other then if a primer ruputures and the gasses go back through the fireing pin hole. Then things behind the lugs could matter.
The first 3/4" of the bolt is all that sees the pressure. And if the lugs shear off i cant see the bolt handle holding the pressure
The first 3/4" of the bolt is all that sees the pressure. And if the lugs shear off i cant see the bolt handle holding the pressure
Are you able to share info with us specifically about a fluting job on the bolt of a modern bolt action causing failure of the said part?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass and you've got a great deal of clout on this forum and my utmost respect, but I'm genuinely skeptical about a "professional" fluting job done to a bolt causing catastrophic failure.
If your experience has been with Bubba and his "muh millin'" machine, well then I clearly understand where that could cause an incident but Browning offers factory fluting on some versions of the X-Bolt along with other manufacturers and they are crippled by the fear of litigation.
