Flyers during load dev

Barrel nuts as as example are torqued to ft-lbs, so I think it may have been ft-lbs!

Only had a 10’’ westcott, but I was on my toes and put my full body weight and it wouldn’t move.
Had to put some serious torque for it to move.
Once it was out I was surprised to see no loctite , it was just pressure fitted that hard!

Did it with barrel locked in barrel vice, no harm done to action doing this.
 
MartyK2500 said:
Even with my NF ATACR, I never simply dial, you always see me do this head wiggle thing when adjusting parallax, until the crosshair moves at the same rate as the target.
And with the Vortex, 200 on the dial is never correct for 200.

Jerry, yes these we’re 2 groups at 200, while doing my broad range load dev, hence the 4 shot groups.
Alright I guess it’s time for a scope swap.
It pains me as I don’t have any spares and I hate ripping a scope of a zero’d rifle, but this is where I’m at now.
The ATACR will make a nice candidate for this test, as I believe that it’s reliable.
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yep... let us know how it turns out

And in case you are wondering, cost, brand and type does not insulate the optic from wear and tear. Some are better then others but every scope manf has a warranty dept for a reason.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
yep... let us know how it turns out

And in case you are wondering, cost, brand and type does not insulate the optic from wear and tear. Some are better then others but every scope manf has a warranty dept for a reason.

Jerry
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Now that brake if off, I will shoot it with removed (brake) on Friday.
Sunday I will shoot it with swapped scopes.

At least trying not to get into more than 1 variable at the time,
If I swap scopes now I’d have to reinvestigate both scope and brake as I wouldn’t know.
 
I am going to shoot mine in the morning as is but with totally different ammo . If it is doing the same thing , I will swap scopes with my other rifle . I really hate swapping scopes with a rifle that is shooting about 1/2 moa or better at 700 yards though . We'll see what happens in the morning . If it's got stupid fliers with the 185 Juggernauts , something is obviously wrong .
 
HondaVTEC said:
I am going to shoot mine in the morning as is but with totally different ammo . If it is doing the same thing , I will swap scopes with my other rifle . I really hate swapping scopes with a rifle that is shooting about 1/2 moa or better at 700 yards though . We'll see what happens in the morning . If it's got stupid fliers with the 185 Juggernauts , something is obviously wrong .
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Match shooters take their scopes off all the time .if your rig is truly accurate it won't matter if you take it down to nothin. ,it will be just as accurate when you put the scope back on:cool:
Cat
 
When you swap scopes, recheck the torque on your scope rail. I had similar flier issues with a Ruger 10/22, where 1 in 10 would not go anywhere near the other 9. Found one of the four rail screws was loose. Cleaned and re-tightened and all is well now.
 
I also just loaded 100x rounds of 6.5x47 tonight for my Origin/Manners/IBI custom.
If Friday has ugly results I’ll just walk away from that 110 and get back to it in a week or two,

Sometimes stepping back helps to start this again fresh.
Fiddling with it 3x/week is just accumulating frustration at this point!
 
I shot several groups of 5-6 shots touching at 300 meters and the flyers fouled the group to 2" plus, now I suspect the concentricity of my loaded ammos and purchased an accuracy one concentricity gauge to find that my loaded ammos to be 1/3 under 0.003", 1/3 between 0.003'' - 0.006" and 1/3 above 0.006". And it happened to be 7.5X55, and I sorted GP11 to get around 1/5 to be under 0.003".
I still have not got the chance to shoot them and prove it.
By the way, Hornady concentricity tool is a joke compared to accuracy one.
 
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Todays range session was more of the same . Started off with the same scope and it was shooting like dog poo . Swapped scopes with my long range .223 and my handloads of 44.8 Varget ,.005 off were crap . Switched to factory FGMM 185 Berger Juggernauts and it was 4 in a ragged hole ( .446 ) with a flier . Could have been me . Lets try this again . Same thing . 4 shots into .438 with a flier . Hmmm . Went to 150 yards .Up .2 mils , 2 shots touching , with one 1" away . POI was high . Went down .2 mils ( 100 yard zero ) and it was the same . Went back to 100 yards , all over the place again . The scope that was on this rifle was put on the .223 and it was a ragged hole shooter. The only thing left is the scope rail . Everything is super tight , but , I'm going to remove it and have a look . I am pissed off right now , so I am taking a break from this rifle for a bit to clear my head .
 
MartyK2500 said:
What makes even less sense in my mind, is having 2 tight groups on the same target.
As in 3 rounds really close together, and the 2 flyers 2'' further we're within 1/4'' from each other.
May be a fluke may be something wildly wrong going on.

This Friday I'll keep my target to present,
As last session I was alone and shouted to myself this is bull#### and thrashed the target lol
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A scope that doesn't hold zero will do the 3-2 group as well as produce a flyer. What scope do you have?

Savages respond to action screw torque, the front one ~55 inch pounds, the rear one 20-30+ inch pounds, this will be a trial tho.

My Savage Mod 12 LRP tightened right up after a scope replacement, sell the $1200 dollar scope and put on an SWFA to find the first scope didn't hold zero. When these first came out many people had them bedded, this sort of negates the bedding system in the HS precision stock, better to tune with the action screws.

The barrel length indicates where the nodes are if you are going after an OBT load, https://pierrevanderwalt.com/obt-calculator/ , so while you have good SD and therefore ES you may not be on the node, this can be determined using QuickLoad.

Also, the load may be very fussy, as it is not an OCW load.
 
i had a savage 22250 that did exactly what yours is doing. i restocked and rebarreled it to 6mmbr and its a shooter. a good group will be well under moa at 1000.

i should probably bite my tongue but ive had a look at a few savage barrels with a bore scope, including some that shot wonderful, and its a wonder they shoot at all.
 
Evening.

interesting issue hope you get it sorted out

Simple test after cleaning the barrel run a cotton swap inside the crown to check for burrs.
Can you bore scope?
2nd test and not sure if you have the tools, Slug the barrel.
Based on what you have written there is a possibility the muzzle brake tightened that heavy my have put a restriction in the bore near the crown.

Trevor
 
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