FN Five-seveN USG first impressions...Range Report Added...

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Just received my new Five-seveN pistol, and thought I'd put up a pic with a few first impressions...



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Packaging wise, it's a decent little case...Clearly not as robust as the current Glock Pistol cases, but what the heck, it comes with. Inside, are the instruction manual, accompanied by a warning label regarding original Five-seveN mags not working in current IOM or USG pistols...

Kit has the pistol, three magazines (10 round of course), a nice little cleaning kit, and tools to adjust the sight and convert the magazine release to the opposite side of the grip frame for left handed shooters.

The mags are the dedicated 10 round versions, with the different bases, not just a pinned mag. They insert very smoothly into the magwell, and eject with considerable authority... almost jumping out of the gun. This is due to a very strong mag spring...with the slide locked to the rear, and an empty magazine in the pistol, it's quite difficult to press down on the slide stop lever. This isn't a concern for me, as I rack the slide forward, and don't use the "slide stop" as a "slide release"...

The safety is interesting in that it's located above the trigger on both sides of the pistol. It's very easy to access using your trigger finger when it's off trigger, and high and away on the frame of the gun, or with your support hand thumb when shooting with a thumbs forward grip (my preference).

Sights are tall for my liking, but nicely made. Rear sight is adjustable for both windage and elevation, and on the pistol I received, incorporated 3 white dots for easier pickup.

The pistol itself is very light. Lighter than my Glock 22, and only slightly longer in the barrel (maybe the thickness of my tiny index finger). The stippling on the grip is robust, and not as invasive or destructive as I've seen on some of the more recent Glock pistols. The grip geometry is also a little more vertical than the angle found on the Glock, but it still very comfortable. My hands are not large, yet I had easy access to all the operational controls on this pistol.

The entire body of the gun is plastic. The metal slide is encased in the stuff, and the frame has minimal metals in it... as well, there are no metal inserts in the magazine (unlike Glock), so if you hate polymer, this may not be the pistol for you... On the other hand, if your a freak for innovation like myself, you may appreciate some of the design, engineering and integration that went into this gun.

Field stripping the gun is very similar again to a Glock pistol, with the exception that you don't have to ride the slide along the rails for the full length of the frame. Once unlocked, the slide moves forward about one inch, and lifts straight off. The recoil spring is captive to the barrel - no guide rod as this role is performed by the barrel itself. So when field stripped for cleaning, there are only 3 parts - Frame, Slide, and Barrel. Neat idea...

Internally it does not look much like a Glock, contrary to popular belief. It's trigger seems a little more refined, and on dry firing, feels more crisp. The Five-seveN does incorporate a magazine disconnect, and will not fire unless a magazine is inserted - love it or hate it (I'm on the fence on this one), but that's the way it is. It also has a nice little loaded chamber indicator that protrudes from the slide on the left side. It's visible in daylight, and very easy to feel in low light conditions either with your support thumb, or index finger (right or left handed respectively).

Overall, I like the pistol, and can't wait to take it to the range and do a little testing (velocity accuracy etc...). I don't expect it to perform much differently than the original Five-seven Tactical model I used several years ago, but we'll see once the rounds go downrange.

I've had a number of people ask me about ammunition for the 5.7x28, and it's scarcity... For those looking, many members of CGN have factory rounds for sale, you just have to be diligent in your search. And once you have brass, it's relatively easy to reload this cartridge... you just have to pay particular attention to detail, as for most loads, less than 1 grain of powder separates starting loads from max pressure loads...Lyman's new reloading book has good information on this round, as does wiki....

I'll post more photos that are of higher quality than the camera phone pic above once I take it to the range.

Cheers all...

M

Couple more pictures before I take it out tomorrow...

The loose rounds would be what the pistol would hold in happier times... Alas, I must practice mag changes twice as much now...:)


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I liked the review, thanks. How is the trigger travel? Does it feel long? What about the trigger weight? 5lbs? 8lbs? Can you modify these triggers with aftermarket parts and how readily available are spare parts? I notice you compare the 57 to a Glock frequently. I appreciated that as I too am a Glock shooter 21sf and soon to be 30sf and will be going to 10mm on one or both. I would appreciate more information on your impression of felt recoil from this cartridge. Cheers and thanks again for the review, nicely done.
 
I have never seen ammo for these (in Canada). Where do you get yours? I assume from where you bought the gun. $ of ammo?

I've battled groundhogs with one in the US, was fun.
 
I liked the review, thanks. How is the trigger travel? Does it feel long? What about the trigger weight? 5lbs? 8lbs?

The trigger take up is about 2/3rds that of a Glock trigger, then it's a nice clean break. Weight wise, without putting it on a scale, I'm going to say it's on the light side of between 4 and 5 lbs.

Can you modify these triggers with aftermarket parts and how readily available are spare parts?

I'm not aware of any trigger modifications, that doesn't mean that they do not exist though... I remember seeing a post on a US site where one member made his own trigger out of aluminum... kinda cut and ground himself - looked very nice in the picture he posted though...



I notice you compare the 57 to a Glock frequently. I appreciated that as I too am a Glock shooter 21sf and soon to be 30sf and will be going to 10mm on one or both. I would appreciate more information on your impression of felt recoil from this cartridge.

I've not yet shot this pistol, but I've fired several thousand rounds of 5.7 in the past...most through P90's but a substantive amount through the original double action Five-seveN pistol, and the Tactical variant. Recoil was negligible... little more than a 22, and somewhat less than a 9mm. Muzzle climb was low, which allowed for easier follow up shots than with my G22.


Cheers and thanks again for the review, nicely done.


Hope this information is of assistance... I'll have a more extensive report with accuracy and velocities once I have an opportunity to find my way out to the range...


With respect to ammo - if you search this board, you'll turn up several members who have ammo for sale... it's an EMT away from landing at your door - price wise, it isn't that bad being in the $30 range +/-, depending on who you get it from. Comparing it to, lets say, .223 Winchester Ballistic Silvertip that I use in my other guns, it comes in around $20-$30 / box of 20... so the price is well in line. As for reloading costs, not including my incredibly valuable labour, it works out to about $13-$14/box of 50 to make a clone of FN's SS197SR.
 
I shot one of the original pistols way back when FN first was bringing the FN Five Seven pistol into Canada. I was not really impressed enough to acquire one when they actually became available on the market, then or now.

Too bad we can't get the same deal up here as they do in the USA for factory ammo.... A couple years back I literally saw stacks of 50 round boxes of factory fodder at the big Bass Pro in south Las Vegas, NV for ~ $21 US per box of 50. I agree, likely the way to go up here is to reload it if you can.

Since handgun hunting is a moot point in Canada at the present time I suppose this pistol/ammo is as good as any for target shooting/punching paper, though.

Enjoy your new toy.... ;)

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Range Report...

Well we had an opportunity to hit the range today... Few of us are training for an upcoming charity shoot, so we figured we'd get the cobwebs out, and at the same time take the Five-seveN for a quick tour.

First off we shot a few of the loads over the chronograph...

With a Jacketed 31grain projectile, and a spicy load (my secret recipe), we averaged 2190fps... screaming downrange, with very little recoil... and around 330 ft lbs of energy... sort of in between 9mm and 40cal.

The next load was a little more of a lightweight, with a JHP 28grain projectile, on a moderate load of powder... this one averaged 1980fps, with even less recoil. Energy wise, around 243 ft lbs. A nice little load.

The last one tested was Factory FN SS197SR - a 40grain V-Max bullet sitting on top of Ramshot Powder... speed was a little slower with the average being 1706 fps, however it's accuracy was significantly better than the above two noted loads. Energy was 258 ft lbs, and even though it wasn't as much as a screamer, it was my favorite load.

Now with respect to function, the gun worked without flaw. From chambering to firing, there were no hiccups. The factory adjustable 3 dot sights picked up well, and the more vertical grip geometry was quite comfortable. The slide stop lever, which required a fair amount of pressure to drop with an empty mag, worked very well with loaded mags in the gun. A quick press with the thumb and the slide was forward, and the pistol went fully into battery.

The pistol really doesn't have a feed ramp, but the rifle like rounds with their pointy bottle neck shape fed very smoothly into the chamber for firing. Ejection of the empty (and valuable soon to be reloaded cases) was very robust. Casings all landed in a three foot area about 5' forward of the shooter, and nearly 20' to the right... Yikes! Gonna have to get my Slow-Motion video camera out to see how that happens.:D

The Five-seveN was very comfortable to shoot. Recoil was negligible, and accuracy & function were excellent. Controls, with a little practice are very easy to access. I found the trigger similar to, but more comfortable to shoot than the Glock. It's nice and wide, and felt alot like some of my S&W triggers. Overall, this is a great little gun to shoot. Here are a couple pics from the day...

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Please forgive the appearance of the shooter - He's no box of chocolates, but he enjoys pistols...;)

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This group was shot free standing...No rest or bracing were used. Distance was 25 yards, and accuracy from the gun was superior to my Glock. Any shots off center were the direct result of me trying to sight on that itty bitty circle from distance... I'd like to see what this gun would do in a Ransom Rest or similar (buts I don't gots one...:()

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And these are the two weasels who accompanied me on this day of shooting... Their images serve only to embarrass them, as they have done to me soooo many times...
 
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Great range report. Thanks for that. What a cool unique firearm. I'd love to get my hands on one someday. Your a hell of a shot. I've been shooting since October and I'm no where near that accurate at that distance.
 
Thanks for the comments!

Great range report. Thanks for that. What a cool unique firearm. I'd love to get my hands on one someday. Your a hell of a shot. I've been shooting since October and I'm no where near that accurate at that distance.

Like I mentioned, it's a great little gun. The USG version is much nicer than the original Five-seveN in both the DAO and Tactical models. The DAO model for lack of a better words really sucked!... it's trigger was awful, you'd have to rub steroid creme on your finger to build the muscles required to shoot it... blech...

The trigger on this model is nice - it can have a little of the creep worked out, probably with some shooting :D, but other than that very nice. In terms of the accuracy (mine)...reminds me of a saying from a loooooong time ago.... "Shooting a gun is easy, anyone can do it. Releasing the shot without influencing it's direction, now that's the hard part...". On that note, I thank you and Juster for the comments. I still have much room for improvement, and although it may bother the Liberal Party, I will endeavor to practice as much as possible:p.


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That is outstanding shooting, I'd love to see the 100 yard target!

Thank you! It's funny you mentioned the distance... I thought something similar after seeing the results at 25... gonna have to try it out on the next test session, and buy some of those giant orange targets to help see what I'm shooting at ;)
 
That gun is on my wishlist and I'm hoping to get one next year or so. I've had a chance to handle one at the local Class 3 shop and it was nice and light(like an airsoft) but the stippling was too aggressive in my opinion. Whats interesting is during the ammo crisis after the election it was one of the few guns that the ammo wasn't in short supply.
 
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