FN MAG watch out....

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While I am sure this is old news to many here, what do you guys think about the FN minimi in 7.62.
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Easier to produce=cheaper to produce = cheaper user cost

4kgs lighter than FN MAG.

Minimi's proven design. Whats not to like?

Will these guns beat themselves to death in the SF role?

Are barrels heavy enough contour?

Who uses them?


I want one.........
 
Garbage I say.... FN MAG is a much better gun, At lease its not a crude welded sheet metal receiver. Lets see how long these last, Being C9's get worn out fast espically in combat. I will assume if they are using the same gas system and bolt as the minini that 7.62mm will chew the #### out the bolt rails fast.

Also burn barrels out faster.

FN MAG is the number one GPMG used today.

I hate the C9 bipod.
 
My experience suggests to me that the MAG is a superior design to the Minimi.

The MAG will just keep on chugging away even with less than expert operators. That 4kg weight drop will also make it more of a handful to keep on target in the light role. The lighter profile barrel will necessitate more frequent barrel changes.

The Minimi in 7.62 would be neither fish nor fowl...the extra weight of the larger caliber ammunition would make it suck donkey testicles for the gunner if it were used with the same doctrine as the C9...and it won't be able to replace the C6 at the platoon level.

I would suggest that an argument can certainly be made for having a 7.62 GPMG/LMG at the section level...but there is a reason that the most successful 7.62 GPMGs are all essentially built in the same weight class. A scaled up Minimi would fall short when push came to shove.
 
If your government will keep buying them to replace the 'wear outs'....fine

Stamped, rivetted machine guns suck azz...even the vaunted MG42/MG3 will shoot itself to pieces in just a few 10,000s rds

Suck it up, buttercup...Hump the weight, yer life depends on it
 
MAG is Riveted together.....................

Isn't PKM stamped and welded? Thats a pretty durable reliable design.....

HK 21e stamped/ welded...........


Whats this about mg3 shooting themselves to pieces after 10000 rounds? Aren't these one of the most successful GPMG designs ever????? I don't think they would have lasted the past fifty years if they shot themselves to death after 50 boxes. Then again I have no personal experience with this gun.


Good point about the recoil, don't get me wrong, I love the MAG (see avatar), but am curious about the other designs.
 
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FraserJ20 said:
MAG is Riveted together.....................

Isn't PKM stamped and welded? Thats a pretty durable reliable design.....

HK 21e stamped/ welded...........


Whats this about mg3 shooting themselves to pieces after 10000 rounds? Aren't these one of the most successful GPMG designs ever????? I don't think they would have lasted the past fifty years if they shot themselves to death after 50 boxes. Then again I have no personal experience with this gun.


Good point about the recoil, don't get me wrong, I love the MAG (see avatar), but am curious about the other designs.
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4 KG lighter you wont notice the difference when you carry it and the ammo every day, Just makes your stronger each day. I handled a MG 42 sure it was a well built gun, but nothing as near as the C6 GPMG.

FN Mag (C6) Is steel and heavy as it is built like a tank. I would not give up our C6's for a scaled up version of the C9 being that I don't think in the long run the 762 C9 would last long. 45,000 rounds fired in a year though mine and never seen any wear on it, except for the barrel. The frame rails not even a scratch. Its machined steel and not stamped steel. Our unit machine guns seen a lot of new barrels for it, but thats really only the real parts that wear down on them. They're tasked off every summer for machine courses and I bet they got close to a million rounds fired or more though them.

FN MAG 58 is called being it was built/designed in 1958, Yes the MG 42 was the father of modern generations of Machine guns.

I only asked for 2 mods for the C6, Get rid of the Coax gas regulators to the old split collar adjustable one and a optic rail.
 
I don't know about you guys, but C6 SF shoots with a packed gun line is my favorite thing to do in the army...

The cocking handles break off, and flash suppressors shoot down range, but guns keep running.
 
This Version has been around for awhile. it is currently in use by the US navy (LOL). There hasnt been much complaints about them from the Us navy, remember diffrent tools for may diffrent uses.
R711 OUT
 
Biggest complaint is the barrels wear out very fast and the the mod 0 has the carrying handle on the gun not the barrel.

FN MAG is still the king of med. machine guns hands down
 
CETME Ameli, chambered/re-chambered for Le Mas Short barrel .223/6.5 Grendel/6.8 SPC would be totally awesome because its light and you can run around like a banshee with it.

6.5 @ 1200rpm rise could be remedied with tying the bipod/barrel to a tree or a railing, then it won't go nowhere. Then you could have .308 MAG power almost, in a small managable scarey fast package.

Oh yeah, and because of weight savings, you could carry some barrels with you too. Then you got everything on all the FN guns..i think

Just put padding on it if you can't handle the pounding.


Who cares how long it lasts, just buy more later.


For use of the FN SAW in .308, I agree that it is good but not that good from things I read.
 
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I don't think the MK48 was designed or purchased to use as a GPMG. They want a "LMG" that shoots 7.62, and if they have to, use it as a SAW.
 
RobertMcC said:
4 KG lighter you wont notice the difference when you carry it and the ammo every day, Just makes your stronger each day. I handled a MG 42 sure it was a well built gun, but nothing as near as the C6 GPMG.

FN Mag (C6) Is steel and heavy as it is built like a tank. I would not give up our C6's for a scaled up version of the C9 being that I don't think in the long run the 762 C9 would last long. 45,000 rounds fired in a year though mine and never seen any wear on it, except for the barrel. The frame rails not even a scratch. Its machined steel and not stamped steel. Our unit machine guns seen a lot of new barrels for it, but thats really only the real parts that wear down on them. They're tasked off every summer for machine courses and I bet they got close to a million rounds fired or more though them.

FN MAG 58 is called being it was built/designed in 1958, Yes the MG 42 was the father of modern generations of Machine guns.

I only asked for 2 mods for the C6, Get rid of the Coax gas regulators to the old split collar adjustable one and a optic rail.
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You don't care about 4kg of extra weight on your weapon? If you were kicking in doors all day shouldering a weapon, any reduction in weight would be welcome.

The mk48 is not designed for the SF role. It is deployed as a LMG that has better barrier penetration than a m249 or mk46. The units that are issued it don't have to worry about it wearing out, they have the budgets to buy new ones.

As for stamped vs. machined, the PKM is stamped and I've never had an issue with them.
 
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You don't care about 4kg of extra weight on your weapon? If you were kicking in doors all day shouldering a weapon, any reduction in weight would be welcome.

The mk48 is not designed for the SF role. It is deployed as a LMG that has better barrier penetration than a m249 or mk46. The units that are issued it don't have to worry about it wearing out, they have the budgets to buy new ones.

As for stamped vs. machined, the PKM is stamped and I've never had an issue with them.
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Always been a cut off or fire base when I had it, Door kicking already be done before I had to enter a building. Didn't the Brits use the FN Mag as a LMG for years?
 
Seems to me to be a "specialist" item. As already said, LMG with better penetration. Like the brit SAS and 14 Int. with the H&K 7.62 G3K (I think that is what they call it) because a 5.56 H&K 53 didn't do car bodies and windshields well enough in NI.
 
Big_Red said:
You don't care about 4kg of extra weight on your weapon? If you were kicking in doors all day shouldering a weapon, any reduction in weight would be welcome.

The mk48 is not designed for the SF role. It is deployed as a LMG that has better barrier penetration than a m249 or mk46. The units that are issued it don't have to worry about it wearing out, they have the budgets to buy new ones.
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Agreed, probably an excellent design for specialized units, but not made for line infantry
I have to say that with the 7 years in a Reg light infantry bataillon, 3 as a platoon gunner, I would have love to carry that instead of the GPMG on some of the patrols we did. however, Pretty much useless on a def position or as a firebase when compared to the C6.

At least we had the M3 Carl Gustav ! :D , lighter than the C9
 
RobertMcC said:
Always been a cut off or fire base when I had it, Door kicking already be done before I had to enter a building. Didn't the Brits use the FN Mag as a LMG for years?
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Brits had the Bren in 7.62 as their LMG until 5.56 was adopted, GPMG was a platoon support weapon. Although in the Falklands the Paras that were over there had the GPMG temporarily issued at the section level.
 
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