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What are the chances of ever getting this rifle or any type of it in Canada. it is new and should not be on any list yet... but I am not sure if it would be classified into a bad type of bullpup. What is everyone comments?
Check out the article in shotgun news..
 
if you go on-line and check, there is quite the wait for these already. i suspect the next batch is almost gone and thats expected in march-april. they did make a small batch(~100) of black ones but they are all spoken for.

i'd love to be the test case and import one but $1600USD is not in my finacial future right now.
 
Is it the belgian army assault rifle your are talking about?? If it is, i think the 5.7 ammo could be a problem.. it's very powerfull (muzzle velocity of 2300fps) and goes right through bulletproof vests...

don't know if there is any legislation about that??
 
"very powerfull (muzzle velocity of 2300fps) and goes right through bulletproof vests"
2300fps is nothing almost all centerfire rifle cartridges go that fast or faster and also go through vests as well, to quote public enemy(iirc) "don't believe the hype..."
 
Donny Fenn1 said:
2300fps is nothing almost all centerfire rifle cartridges go that fast or faster and also go through vests as well, to quote public enemy(iirc) "don't believe the hype..."
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Well, that ammo fits also in a handgun... the FN 5-7... don't know many handguns with low recoil and that kind of firepower... So that why i'm wondering if it is or would be legal.
 
espritv8 said:
Well, that ammo fits also in a handgun... the FN 5-7... don't know many handguns with low recoil and that kind of firepower... So that why i'm wondering if it is or would be legal.
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you're better off placing your bets on the FN2000, as that uses the regular 5.56 round isntead of 5.7....

but since you asked...
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/SOR-98-462/82866.html#rid-83017

PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
 
sixty9santa said:
Nope, They are legal if the reciever cannot function without the stock.
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Thanks for saving me the trouble of saying this for the millionth time.

5-7 pistol is legal. Good chance this gun is too. Ammo is however iffy.
 
hr said:
PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION

Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
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the ammo thats availible IS NOT armour peircing. when this was written all 5.7 was armour piercing. that stuff is not availible to civies. the only ammo in the states is hollow point or FMJ.
 
espritv8 said:
Well, that ammo fits also in a handgun... the FN 5-7... don't know many handguns with low recoil and that kind of firepower... So that why i'm wondering if it is or would be legal.
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The 179 dollar Norinco Tokarav pistol in 7.62x25mm will plow through a level IIIA vest using surplus ammo that costs around 10 cents a round. Any centerfire rifle will also plow through a bulletproof vest... the 5-7 is hardly a special pistol.
 
greentips said:
Yo, 5.7 is VERY POWERFUL. 5.56 must be VERY VERY VERY POWERFUL.

7.62 MUST BE LIKE A FRIGGING NUCLEAR DETONATION .

338 Lapua....must be like the collapse of a worm hole.
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lol


Well, antis have their own equation... As we've seen, not too hard for them to "skew" a few of the numbers, eh? ;)
 
the 5.7 round in a handgun is very powerful, you cant compare a handgun to a rifle for god's sake in terms of vest penetration. The only 5.7x28 ammo legal in Canada is the JHP stuff. Keep in mind that the JHP ammo is not designed to expand, but rather tumble. It was originally created for use on target ranges because it doesnt tear up the backstops like the steel cored verion. Still though, out of the P90 the JHP clocks 2312fps and out of the Five-seveN 2100fps, which means even the JHP fired out of the Five-seveN is still capable of impressive penetration.

That being said, have fun trying to find the JHP ammo in Canada and enjoy paying a bundle for it. Personally id just buy something in 7.62x25 if i wanted penetration from a handgun.
 
muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
the 5.7 round in a handgun is very powerful, you cant compare a handgun to a rifle for god's sake in terms of vest penetration.
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Thanks for backing me up. That's exactly what i wanted to say...

BTW, 7.62 is 1500fps, so it's not comparable...

also, i can't hardly imagine gang doing a drive by or hold-up with a 338 lapua:p
 
muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
the 5.7 round in a handgun is very powerful, you cant compare a handgun to a rifle for god's sake in terms of vest penetration. The only 5.7x28 ammo legal in Canada is the JHP stuff. Keep in mind that the JHP ammo is not designed to expand, but rather tumble. It was originally created for use on target ranges because it doesnt tear up the backstops like the steel cored verion. Still though, out of the P90 the JHP clocks 2312fps and out of the Five-seveN 2100fps, which means even the JHP fired out of the Five-seveN is still capable of impressive penetration.

That being said, have fun trying to find the JHP ammo in Canada and enjoy paying a bundle for it. Personally id just buy something in 7.62x25 if i wanted penetration from a handgun.
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Sorry, but a light bullet at not quite rifle bullet speeds does not make it "powerful" only fast. The bullets penetrate better because they are fast and hard. Other calibers can do much the same with differing bullets (see the THV bullets mentioned in the text of the FA).

As for whether the 5.7x28mm HP ammo is legal or not would likely demand the attention of a judge and most of us would prefer to avoid that. The statute mentions the cartridge by name, there are no modifiers, thus you are taking your chances. If you think that this is pedantic because of changes made in the types of ammo available, I would recommend you have a look at the latest bulletin from the CFC concerning Beretta Storm magazines.
 
That is one beautiful rifle, if they come to Canada I am going to mount some strings and humbuckers on it and play dueling banjos.

fed
 
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