For those whining about the XCR Ar15 lovers need not read!
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+1........Scarecrow said:
Armedsask said:
Not only lacking - just plain annoying. By all means, slap me if I am wrong, but the originator seems to be glorying in the fact that he is one of the few and far-between/Oh so annointed as to merely touch the next holy grail.
Well, bully for him. But lacking a credible and meaningfull range report? I could give a flying frig. In fact, this entire "I've seen it" thread is a waste of everyone's time.
I'm done until someone has something useful to post. A finger-frig at the latest greatest gun-show does not a meaningful evaluation make. Shoot it. Shoot it a lot. And then tell me what you think. In the interim, I don't need to be jerked-off.
FWIW
Mark C
Straight from the manufacturers mouth "IT IS A MODIFIED AK BOLT SYSTEM". I can see why it was rejected from the scar compition. It is a rifle that is a bastardization of everything. opens like an AK, sort of AR lower, M60 style locking collar for dirt and crap removal from the lugs. Fn metric style charging handle, 4 postion gas adjustment. Two stage trigger for non military users. 45 degree movement of the selector from safe to semi. Bolt hold open looks like crap, just a tiny peice of galvanized metal that you can see the snip marks on. Stock is way better than an AR, but the whole rifle is heavier than an AR, and feels bulky. the screw under the chamber is for "a quick change bbl". I prefer the term easily changed bbl as a quick change is push the button, or pull the lever. This feature I asked "are you not worried that that will wear out and the bbl will fall out?" The reply was "It has a heli-coil in there to make it stronger."
Also asked when shipping will take place. Answer was "soon". I asked what parts have you not made yet? "we just got the lower reciever castings, what we have here is a one off." "So just the recievers are slowing you down?", "Well we don't have any gas tubes made up yet." Asked about the other calibers. He was unsure about what mags they would use, maybe SR25, or BM 10 mags for .308, and an in house designed and made mag for 7.63x39. said nobody wants to rock a mag into a rifle. said hk mags look good for consumers but they are big and ugly. I asked so where is the bolt. His reply was "we don't want anybody to see it until we start shipping."
The claim is that they have shot over 15000 rounds through each of their test rifles without ANY parts failures. So I said "As good as AK reliablity." His reply was "Getting close."
OK rifle but I have better things to buy first.
I spent almost 2 hours with him going over the parts and functionality with him this morning. So there was a lot more to the conversation. But I can see them losing the competion on just the bbl screw alone.
Also asked when shipping will take place. Answer was "soon". I asked what parts have you not made yet? "we just got the lower reciever castings, what we have here is a one off." "So just the recievers are slowing you down?", "Well we don't have any gas tubes made up yet." Asked about the other calibers. He was unsure about what mags they would use, maybe SR25, or BM 10 mags for .308, and an in house designed and made mag for 7.63x39. said nobody wants to rock a mag into a rifle. said hk mags look good for consumers but they are big and ugly. I asked so where is the bolt. His reply was "we don't want anybody to see it until we start shipping."
The claim is that they have shot over 15000 rounds through each of their test rifles without ANY parts failures. So I said "As good as AK reliablity." His reply was "Getting close."
OK rifle but I have better things to buy first.
I spent almost 2 hours with him going over the parts and functionality with him this morning. So there was a lot more to the conversation. But I can see them losing the competion on just the bbl screw alone.
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I redirect the XCR blathers of blackgunlover back into this.
I held a XCR too -- I am not asking for a hero cookie --
MarkC is a M96 owner and is probably the least biased towards the M16FOW ( keeping in mind he has carried a C8 in combat) as anyone on this forum -- His view quite frankly sums mine up as well.
Until its in production STFU.
There are a few on this forum that could give a lot of info on guns that are not out in the civilian market, and that have actually shot those guns, not shilling for a factory that has not got something to market.
I held a XCR too -- I am not asking for a hero cookie --
MarkC is a M96 owner and is probably the least biased towards the M16FOW ( keeping in mind he has carried a C8 in combat) as anyone on this forum -- His view quite frankly sums mine up as well.
Until its in production STFU.
There are a few on this forum that could give a lot of info on guns that are not out in the civilian market, and that have actually shot those guns, not shilling for a factory that has not got something to market.
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