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i think the sterling is NR and not prohib (the police carbine version anyways?)?

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/british-308-sterling-prototype/
 
well, my thinking was that the canadian gun industry seems best when copying simple guns (vs copying complicated guns, or designing from scratch) so this seems to check all the boxes - simple, easy to copy (the sterling is a known entity in canada) not prohib, and not copywritten.
 
I think the "certain wwII cheap smg enthusiast from Saskachewan who will remain nameless on cgn" tried to make a NR police carbine clone but it was deemed "easily convertible to full auto" by the horse police gun lab.

So I doubt they will allow any Sterling clones slip through the cracks.
 
It seem to be a lever delayed blowback design. The difficulty is with tuning the lever delay mechanism to fit work with most popular ammo types. Unless someone can get a direct copy/blue print of the original design, it will be finicky.

Another candidate that came to mind is the Ross Rudd's delayed blowback 180 design, which has a simpler bcg design: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ross-rudds-prototype-delayed-blowback-ar180/
 
that's more like it. to be honest, i've been kicking around buying a wk/ws/wx 180 and trying to make it run 308. it would probably blow the bolt lugs off it but would be an interesting experiment. safety glasses!
 
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i mean, an AR bolt can fire 450 bushmaster or 458 socom but i guess the 308 is much higher pressure so again bolt lugs probably go snap.

then how about someone makes a bushmaster or socom bolt face? tna did a grendel bolt (took a 0.447" rim diameter x39 bolt from 0.125" recess to 0.136" recess).

or, has anyone done a beowulf 180 yet? should run on an x39 or grendel bolt if you can find barrel and ammunition ...
 
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I phoned Sylvestre about the possibility of a 308 J180 with Jard. They said they may be interested down the line, but they want to secure existing calibre 180 sales first. The fellow from Sylvestre also believed it may require a new FRT entry, since the beefed up receiver would have different geometry the the current J180, and that it took two and a half years to get the FRT entry for the intermediate calibre J180. If a 308 J180 is ever made, it would be several years out.
 
Ustauk said:
I phoned Sylvestre about the possibility of a 308 J180 with Jard. They said they may be interested down the line, but they want to secure existing calibre 180 sales first. The fellow from Sylvestre also believed it may require a new FRT entry, since the beefed up receiver would have different geometry the the current J180, and that it took two and a half years to get the FRT entry for the intermediate calibre J180. If a 308 J180 is ever made, it would be several years out.
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This is why I think it will have to be a Canadian manufacturer that comes to our rescue on the semi-auto .308 game. Build it to NR spec, forgo the FRT and sell them like hot cakes. Let's go Spectre/Kodiak/BCL/MRA/TNA.
 
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This is why I think it will have to be a Canadian manufacturer that comes to our rescue on the semi-auto .308 game. Build it to NR spec, forgo the FRT and sell them like hot cakes. Let's go Spectre/Kodiak/BCL/MRA/TNA.
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The problem with that idea is the RCMP have shown us they will gladly turn thousands of Canadians into paper criminals by deciding a gun is an AR variant after a bunch has sold. While the FRT is NOT required to manufacture and sell a gun, without an FRT you have no way of knowing the lab won't be deeming it a named variant, and good luck selling more than a handful without promising to refund the purchase if the RCMP calls 'em illegal. As far as I am aware the RCMP doesn't need to be submitted a sample to give a gun an FRT - what I am getting it is if you forgo getting the FRT yourself, there is nothing that I am aware of that would prevent the RCMP from issuing an Prohib FRT for it down the road.

Simply put, there is a lot of risk involved in making a NR Semi auto given the current political climate, and R&D on a novel semi auto design is not a cheap undertaking. It is just not worth it for most companies, especially after the RCMP has decided to change the FRT on guns that weren't specifically named in the FRT like the fine guns that ATRS has brought to market.
 
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Suther said:
The problem with that idea is the RCMP have shown us they will gladly turn thousands of Canadians into paper criminals by deciding a gun is an AR variant after a bunch has sold. While the FRT is NOT required to manufacture and sell a gun, without an FRT you have no way of knowing the lab won't be deeming it a named variant, and good luck selling more than a handful without promising to refund the purchase if the RCMP calls 'em illegal. As far as I am aware the RCMP doesn't need to be submitted a sample to give a gun an FRT - what I am getting it is if you forgo getting the FRT yourself, there is nothing that I am aware of that would prevent the RCMP from issuing an Prohib FRT for it down the road.

Simply put, there is a lot of risk involved in making a NR Semi auto given the current political climate, and R&D on a novel semi auto design is not a cheap undertaking. It is just not worth it for most companies, especially after the RCMP has decided to change the FRT on guns that weren't specifically named in the FRT like the fine guns that ATRS has brought to market.
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I was thinking along the lines that a Canadian manufacturer would base a new semi-auto platform off of the action/gas system of an existing non-restricted semi auto.308. There are still quite a few to chose from; Browning BAR, Benelli R1, FN FNAR, Garand, APC, Famae etc.

That or they scale up an AR180 to .308 (if that is possible) or base it off another non-prohibited AR platform like the AR16 (I don't see it in the FRT).

You make a valid point about the RCMP reclassifying anything on a whim to become a variant of a prohib, but they have also shown to do the same with previously NR rifles that had NR FRT's....so I'm not sure that having one is any safer than not in these times, and the TAT of the lab approving a new FRT takes several years.

The "safest" route would be designing a rifle on an existing NR platform with an FRT, which I assume would also cut down on R&D costs.

I recall reading on here that one of our Canadian companies (I forget which one), that they proposed a partnership between multiple companies to share the cost. Ie one company makes lower, another upper, barrels, gas system etc. I understand that may be a logistical nightmare and may lead to QA issues...but that may be the safest...or only option moving forward.
 
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