Yes but the majority of those rounds were .22 long rifle round about a bricks worth, a couple shotgun shells, 20 to 30 .303 "machine gun ammo" and the same amount of 8mm Mauser and 50 9mm rounds. Hardly what I would consider worthy of calling their version of 911 for. Also gotta love the pictures of the worried looking guy who is now afraid to live in the house anymore being shown having his hand held by his supportive girlfriend, how embarrassing, what's worse is he does not realize how inane he looks
Former Brit Mayor Arrested In Raid For Having WWII pistol
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Yes but the majority of those rounds were .22 long rifle round about a bricks worth, a couple shotgun shells, 20 to 30 .303 "machine gun ammo" and the same amount of 8mm Mauser and 50 9mm rounds. Hardly what I would consider worthy of calling their version of 911 for. Also gotta love the pictures of the worried looking guy who is now afraid to live in the house anymore being shown having his hand held by his supportive girlfriend, how embarrassing, what's worse is he does not realize how inane he looks
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Well, I for one do not understand all this Brit-bashing. I lived and worked there for 7 years in the 2000's, and I met some of the soundest folks anywhere.
This is a nation that has been through a lot. You joke about "ammo found in a pond"? Well occasionally there are still Hitler's unexploded rockets and bombs found in the underground of London. There are still people alive in the UK that have been through more violence and horror and war than most of YOU turkeys ever will.
As for calling them a bunch of "pansies", lol...that's funny. I got some favourite watering holes up near Leeds and Northampton where you might not want to say that too loud.
A lot of needless hostility on this site, once again, for the antis to quote.
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This is a nation that has been through a lot. You joke about "ammo found in a pond"? Well occasionally there are still Hitler's unexploded rockets and bombs found in the underground of London. There are still people alive in the UK that have been through more violence and horror and war than most of YOU turkeys ever will.
As for calling them a bunch of "pansies", lol...that's funny. I got some favourite watering holes up near Leeds and Northampton where you might not want to say that too loud.
A lot of needless hostility on this site, once again, for the antis to quote.
"See? SEE??"
BeaverMeat
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I don't recall anyone calling the general population of Britts pussies.
Agreed. Or at least not in so many words.
No one's "Brit-bashing." Many of us have English family members. The point is that these articles display a portion of the UK population who seem to overreact to perfectly harmless situations. The first rule of firearms for 200 years is, "keep your powder dry." These rounds were IN A POND!! How effective could they possibly be? Besides which, ammo doesn't go off by itself. There's an exception to every rule, of course, but the very idea that the existence of a firearm in a room must therefore lead to someone's death is ludicrous. This is the impression we get from these articles. The people who called in the raid on this former mayor's home are indeed pansies. The homeowners who called the police because of the ammunition are pansies.
Its not the mainstream population that overreacts...The majority couldn't give a toss about a mayor and his old pistol or some ammo found in a pond...The media have taken the UK by the balls and many papers and media outlets clamber for a slightest underhand event and then 'sensationalise' it...Its been going on for years...I remember a story on the front page of the Daily Star newspaper (and I use the term 'newspaper' lightly) of a double decker bus being found on the moon...!! ANYTHING goes...Its how they compete for readers...
The media love silly little stories which they then portray as 'threats to society' or 'the unbelievable has occured', especially if there's a political point to be made.
If we had the same level of media here in Canada, you'd be hearing more of those 'oh my god' stories..The UK public in general laugh at this stuff and move on...
Whilst the UK does have its issues and some ridicluous laws, we do have our own problems too....Justin Bieber and Rob Ford for starters
The media love silly little stories which they then portray as 'threats to society' or 'the unbelievable has occured', especially if there's a political point to be made.
If we had the same level of media here in Canada, you'd be hearing more of those 'oh my god' stories..The UK public in general laugh at this stuff and move on...
Whilst the UK does have its issues and some ridicluous laws, we do have our own problems too....Justin Bieber and Rob Ford for starters
Its not the mainstream population that overreacts...The majority couldn't give a toss about a mayor and his old pistol or some ammo found in a pond...The media have taken the UK by the balls and many papers and media outlets clamber for a slightest underhand event and then 'sensationalise' it...Its been going on for years...I remember a story on the front page of the Daily Star newspaper (and I use the term 'newspaper' lightly) of a double decker bus being found on the moon...!! ANYTHING goes...Its how they compete for readers...
The media love silly little stories which they then portray as 'threats to society' or 'the unbelievable has occured', especially if there's a political point to be made.
If we had the same level of media here in Canada, you'd be hearing more of those 'oh my god' stories..The UK public in general laugh at this stuff and move on...
Whilst the UK does have its issues and some ridicluous laws, we do have our own problems too....Justin Bieber and Rob Ford for starters
Bieber and Ford are problems only if your concerns lie in the gutter.
Grizz
"If Liberty be ever extinguished in this country, it will be a Parliament which does it." - Sir William Blackstone, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1755.
He also said some interesting things about Rights, one being that even though a right may be forgotten, it still exists and may be revived at will.
And he said that the Right to keep and bear Arms is the FUNDAMENTAL Right which underpins and assures all those OTHER rights: life, liberty, pursuit of whatever.
Really a most interesting fellow. His 1755 4-volume set on the Institutes and Laws of England still is a standard text in American law schools..... and Canadian courts have been ordered to gie careful consideration to American decisions, where applicable. We are closer than one might think. A bit of work and we might even wake up some of our own lawyers and judges.
Without agitation, however, nothing will happen. My lawyer, for example, had a grand total of 20 minutes on the Common Law during his time in law school. Nice guy, but he ascribes, as do most of the others, to the "democratic" mindset in which 51% of the voters can order the other 49% to be used for dog-food.
MOST people do not understand the concept of LIMITED GOVERNMENT governed by the Common Law.
He also said some interesting things about Rights, one being that even though a right may be forgotten, it still exists and may be revived at will.
And he said that the Right to keep and bear Arms is the FUNDAMENTAL Right which underpins and assures all those OTHER rights: life, liberty, pursuit of whatever.
Really a most interesting fellow. His 1755 4-volume set on the Institutes and Laws of England still is a standard text in American law schools..... and Canadian courts have been ordered to gie careful consideration to American decisions, where applicable. We are closer than one might think. A bit of work and we might even wake up some of our own lawyers and judges.
Without agitation, however, nothing will happen. My lawyer, for example, had a grand total of 20 minutes on the Common Law during his time in law school. Nice guy, but he ascribes, as do most of the others, to the "democratic" mindset in which 51% of the voters can order the other 49% to be used for dog-food.
MOST people do not understand the concept of LIMITED GOVERNMENT governed by the Common Law.
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Every aspect of Milsurps has it's political precursors and consequences, as such politics are a part of all milsurp threads.
janice
Well, he broke the law as it stands didn't he?
You have to have a gun permit there.
We have to have a PAL here and a RPAL to have a handgun in this country don't we?
We've had handgun registration since what? 1936?
That pistol would be a prohib too in this country wouldn't it?
I'd bet he's going to go to court and he's going to get let off.
It does seem to be a little heavy handed though.
I read Stone Alone, the book by the Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman and he wrote that in the 1960s him and Keith Richard bought Browning pistols in the U.S. just because they could buy them over the counter no questions asked. He had the cops in his house in England some time later for some other reason, I can't remember what, traffic violation or something and they noticed the gun sitting out and asked if he had a permit. He didn't, he had never bought ammunition for it either, so they seized it on the spot with no charges laid.
You have to have a gun permit there.
We have to have a PAL here and a RPAL to have a handgun in this country don't we?
We've had handgun registration since what? 1936?
That pistol would be a prohib too in this country wouldn't it?
I'd bet he's going to go to court and he's going to get let off.
It does seem to be a little heavy handed though.
I read Stone Alone, the book by the Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman and he wrote that in the 1960s him and Keith Richard bought Browning pistols in the U.S. just because they could buy them over the counter no questions asked. He had the cops in his house in England some time later for some other reason, I can't remember what, traffic violation or something and they noticed the gun sitting out and asked if he had a permit. He didn't, he had never bought ammunition for it either, so they seized it on the spot with no charges laid.
Yeah, he did break the law, but it didn't require a SWAT raid. I believe that's what everyone is objecting to. Obviously a visit from one or two constables would've sufficed to bring away the offending piece. Obviously they would have charged him with possession and he would've appeared in court in a civilized manner. The hoopla is incredibly suspicious. Some sort of info is missing here.
I'm looking hard to find where it states that it was deactivated.
As I'm sure you all know, since many of you know a good deal about fireams law in UK, possession of a DEACTIVATED firearm of ANY kind is no problem - a pal of mine has literally hundreds of them in WW2 collection. True, you need to be 18 yo to buy one, but anything goes, including tanks, IF it is deactivated iaw the UK rules. As such, the unusual over-reaction by the plod is something that will no doubt be looked at in the coming weeks.
Anyhow, IF the pistol WAS a live-firing firearm, and he had been interested in doing so, he could have retained it by getting an appropriate license, like many others have done since the handgun ban back in 1997. On a personal note, I'd be setting a few old pals looking for the snitch, and have a 'quiet word' with him....
And it's poor bloody UK, not just England - except for Northern Ireland, where they can STILL have handguns with seventeen-round magazines...
As I've posted here many times before, and in support of the folks who have made sensibly-worded comments on this thread, rather than the usual Brit-bashing more worthy of an American forum than a Canadian one, there are around a million legal firearms certificate holders in UK, with upwards of 6 million Section 1 [rifled] firearms. There are also over 6 million shotguns - one for every 11 members of the population, since one license allows you to own as many as you want. Shooting sports and pastimes put almost $3.5 BILLION annually into the coffers of the gubmint, too, and a lot of it comes from folks like me, with my eighteen rifles and HANDGUNS, and the other 320 or so members of our little gun club.
However, please don't let one little peice of ####e news spoil your rant.
tac
President - Vintage Classic Rifle Association of Ireland [www.vcrai.com]
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People have been arrested, charged and convicted of unlawful possession of a firearm in the UK for finding a dumped crime gun and taking it to a police station. It's just crazy but the way the law is written, if you have a firearm in your possession without the proper paperwork, you go to jail - regardless of the circumstance. Hopefully the UK will get it's common sense back - maybe a UKIP Government will get them back on track - dump the fascist EU and start writing their own laws again, without having to say please to the bureaufascists in Belgium/Strasbourg -(depends on the day).
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ZERO offense meant, mate. Any negativity you got out of my post was directed at the excessive nature of the police response and the general stupidity expressed all too frequently by the non-shooting public when faced with (gasp!) a firearm in the wild. I am in no way denigrating our fellow shooters in the UK that have to deal with bureaucratic idiocy coupled with public ignorance and fear.
Was it deactivated? The mayor certainly thought so:
I feel sorry for him. When he woke up that morning, he likely didn't have that sort of day in mind, but now his life has changed enormously - his neighbours likely won't think very much of him, the local police will be minding him carefully for future bouts of "anti-social behavior"...
The whole thing's an awful mess, and it could have been handled so much more gracefully. The fact that the official response was so over-vigorous is what causes me to sympathize most for "poor bloody England" (and Scotland and Wales as well - I stand corrected). This door-kicker mindset is the new normal. And that's enormously sad.
Safe: Despite the thousands of bullets that were found, the police did not feel the need to evacuate the couple
Grizz
Perhaps those journalists should read up on the language their people invented.
Britain made it illegal to own firearms and the crime rate went up. Australia did the same with a huge increase in crime. The states in the US with the toughest gun laws have the highest crime. Why is it, that the legal law abiding citizen gets their right to ownership taken away, crime rates go up and all governments think they are doing the right thing ??? It really boggles my mind, as all stats show that when law abiding people are armed it balance things out ! The bad and sick people who abuse these rights should be taken to task with the biggest stick possible and leave the legal law abiding citizens alone ! It's such a simple and easy concept , so come on politicians, get your heads out of your asses and start doing the right thing, that's all the people want !
British politicians getting their heads out of their asses? It is to laugh .....
Before we get too high and mighty about the insanity of Britain's anti gun attitude, we need to address our own problems. What makes sense about any of OUR gun laws? We're all regarded as 'criminals in waiting' and jump through hoops to 'own' our guns at the suffrage of the government.
Use a gun in self defence, no matter how justified, and you're life is in the can. You're financially ruined at the very least. The slightest pretext can bring a visit from a SWAT Team, more heavily armed than were soldiers in WWII.
British author George Orwell predicted the current state of affairs in Britain with alarming accuracy, made even more alarming by the facts that it's happening in the land that gave us Magna Carta and the very begging of arms that Britain made when Nazi invasion was imminent.
ANY government is a reflection of the society that put it in power. A totalitarian regime lasts as long as the people are willing to endure it. Nothing is going to change in Britain, the US or Canada with regard to firearms law until we reach that tipping point.
If the RCMP is not reigned in, we are simply biding time until the next Slave Lake/High River smash & grab travesty. Ever wonder how it was only the riding of the Leader of the Wild Rose party that got hit and not the other flooded out communities? Could this have been done without political collusion?
"Ask not for whom the bells tolls - it tolls for thee." John Donne
Before we get too high and mighty about the insanity of Britain's anti gun attitude, we need to address our own problems. What makes sense about any of OUR gun laws? We're all regarded as 'criminals in waiting' and jump through hoops to 'own' our guns at the suffrage of the government.
Use a gun in self defence, no matter how justified, and you're life is in the can. You're financially ruined at the very least. The slightest pretext can bring a visit from a SWAT Team, more heavily armed than were soldiers in WWII.
British author George Orwell predicted the current state of affairs in Britain with alarming accuracy, made even more alarming by the facts that it's happening in the land that gave us Magna Carta and the very begging of arms that Britain made when Nazi invasion was imminent.
ANY government is a reflection of the society that put it in power. A totalitarian regime lasts as long as the people are willing to endure it. Nothing is going to change in Britain, the US or Canada with regard to firearms law until we reach that tipping point.
If the RCMP is not reigned in, we are simply biding time until the next Slave Lake/High River smash & grab travesty. Ever wonder how it was only the riding of the Leader of the Wild Rose party that got hit and not the other flooded out communities? Could this have been done without political collusion?
"Ask not for whom the bells tolls - it tolls for thee." John Donne
Im not up on British politics but is this a prime example of liberal Poo or Labour Poo?
