French Service Pistol M1935_A year of production??

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Hello
I have French Service Pistol M1935_A
with #F3498A serial number can anyone tell when has been produced?
any help would be welcome!
Thank you
Here are the photos of the gun

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According to this... we can narrow it to 1938 or later:

The Modèle 1935 was officially adopted early in 1937, and manufacture began almost immediately at the SACM factory in Alsace. (The suffix ‘A’ was added to the model designation in 1938, and stands for ‘Alsacienne’ in the company name.) Early deliveries took place in October of 1937. Production continued until the German invasion in mid-1940--German occupation forces took over the SACM factory and resumed fabrication of the pistol on 15 October 1940. Approximately 23,850 M1935A pistols were manufactured under German occupation. The German-made pistols received a Waffenamt acceptance stamp on the left side of the frame between the model designation and serial number--no other changes were made. French production was resumed as quickly as possible after liberation--the approximate date being 1 October 1944. The final M1935A was made on 10 February 1950. Total production was 84,950 pistols.

http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/F1935S/f1935s.html


And if it doesn't have the German stamp, then I'd say its maybe between 1938-1940 or after liberation (1944-50).
 
Thank you for quick reply!
It looks like internet has only general info and no serial number / year of production...

apparently this book has it all, but just to buy a book for one number... doesn't really make sense... "The French 1935 Pistol, A concise history; Eugene Medlin and Colin Doane; Excalibur Publications; 1995 edition"
 
Is there NO other information in the book? Surely, it must contain more than ONE fact.

Generally a good idea to pick up books about your guns while they are available.

By FAR the majority of books ever written about guns are out-of-print.... and sold few enough copies that they ever will be reprinted. They are, however, still covered by Copyright laws and so will not be digitised for many years to come.

Next time you head for a gun show, take along an extra 50 or 100 bucks, just for books. Be careful, be discriminating, and you will NEVER regret it.
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I'd definitely agree with what Smellie says. Sometimes the books are harder to find then the guns themselves. Good reference books are a goldmine for the serious collector.

Maybe its time for such a thread. Other firearms forums have them.

Congrats on your Modèle 1935A. Is that the one from the Wolverine Surplus Sale? It was on my radar.
 
The German occupation forces followed the same serialization sequencing as on most other German small arms--blocks of 10,000 before switching the alpha prefix on the French 1935A- German designate 7.65mm Pistole 625F . Unless this particular pistol has an WaA acceptance of 251, it would be my opinion that the pistol was manufactured after Germany collapsed in France. F prefix should be void of any German army acceptance although I have been fooled before.

Respecting reference books the payback on good material is ten fold.
 
I sold this pistol to vonlemberg and didn't see any Waffenamts on it - if I did, I would've had an even harder time letting it go! It does have the lanyard on the frame, which I believe suggests it saw post-war police issue.
 
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Vonlemberg takes pretty good closeup photos, if the Germans had accepted this pistol and marked the firearm in the designated area it would have been between the 1935A model # and the serial # left side of frame, the Germans did not always follow marking orders and due that only one side of the pistol is shown it would be only the present owners that would know of any other markings.

The 1935A French pistol to collect is the prewar model ,far less produced before the Germans overtook the factory. Many countries armed themselves in post war Europe, it would not surprise me that the pistol saw post war police service. Star B LPN's are a good example of post war police service.
 
BTW, the cartridge for this nice little gun was a dead copy of the .30 Pederson as used in the famous (and much-too-elusive) Pederson Device of late-War-One fame.

They have been made from .30 Carbine brass, so you have a starting-point there.

For anything else, you will have to source original 7.65 French military ammo, which is awfully scarce stuff anywhere; my chickens would give their teeth to find a batch.

Good luck.

NICE toy!
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