A friend of mine who moved to the US was recently at a gunshow and snagged a Garand barrel for me. The price was so good I figured it was worth jumping at. I know I need a permit to get it here, where do I start? I'm sure it's easy to do when dealing with a business, but it's a private deal.
Garand barrel import
- Thread starter Oddbawl
- Start date
Barrels are now covered under US law and to export it
Unfortunately the days of shipping barrels without paperwork are gone.
WATCHOUT-- barrels are now covered under the USA firearms export regulations you REQUIRE a US Export permit it has been a while and I do not have the links on this computer start with thr BATF search rifle exports or barrel exports etc.
However you will quickly find that this falls under the State Departments jurisdiction and they are the ones you have to get the export license from I believe last time I checked it took six weeks or so.
DO NOT MAIL IT WITHOUT PAPERWORK if it is caught by an xray search your A-ss is grass. They will allow it to proceed and you will be snatched by local police as will your firearms collection.
GONE, no appeals at first, go to court and tell the nice judge why you were shipping a military rifle barrel circumventing all controls and paperwork.
Whatya think the chances you are going to have your collection returned--nil.
Also you have just thrown your Firearms license away.
Now as to the Canadian Import paperwork, to import it under one regulation you would have to have bought it from a regustered US business with a proper sales receipt.
This law allows you to bring in some parts with a value under $100 but that law does not now allow barrels to be included last I checked.
Clive Law in Ottawa used to be the man in charge of the import permits but I am unsure of what department he now works for. There was and still may be-- no charge for the import permits, I believe that as in the US the paperwork is through the Canadian department of State.
Laws on importing and paperworkis as follows-----\
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PARTS AND COMPONENTS
14.1 (1) No individual shall import a cylinder, slide, bolt, breech-block or barrel of a firearm unless the individual has been authorized in writing to do so by the Registrar.
(2) For the purposes of these Regulations, the provisions of the Act and of these Regulations that apply to an authorization to import also apply, with any modifications that the circumstances require, to an authorization referred to in subsection (1).
OFFENCE
14.2 For the purpose of paragraph 117(o) of the Act, it is an offence to contravene subsection 14.1(1).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So yes you require an import permit and if you don;t get one and you get caught "well" we've already covered that.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
For example, under U.S. law, an export permit is required for all permanent exports of firearms, ammunition, and certain firearm parts. The U.S. authorities will not issue an export permit unless they have evidence that Canada will allow these goods to be imported. An International Import Certificate (IIC) issued by DFAIT will provide the required evidence. There is no fee for an IIC.
To obtain an application for an IIC, call DFAIT at (613) 996-2387 or 1 800 267-8376, or fax your request to (613) 996-9933. Please allow up to three weeks for the processing of an IIC application.
Once you get your IIC, you must send the original to the business or individual handling the export arrangements so that they can include it in their application for an export permit.
You and the exporter will have to decide between the two of you who will be responsible for obtaining any required authorizations from countries that the firearm may pass through in transit.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q4. I want to buy parts in the US for my firearm and import them into Canada.
A4. The US controls on the export of firearms extends to parts also. For small orders worth less than US$100.00 the US Department of State allows an exemption from the export licence. This exemption, however, does not cover ‘significant’ parts which includes; barrels, slides, cylinders, bolts, frames and receivers. It should be noted that there is no equivalent exemption offered by the Department of Commerce for shotgun parts. Further, there is no exemption for ammunition or ammunition components. Canadian importers should follow the procedure outlined in Q1 (above) to import parts not exempted.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AND MORE FOR YOU
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
USA Requirements
Under the revised USA regulations, your suppliers in the United States need an export permit to permanently export firearms and firearm parts to Canada. To get an export permit, they need to include a Canadian import document with their application. It is up to you or your import agent to obtain such a document from the Government of Canada and give it to your supplier.
Exception: Your supplier does not require a Canadian import document for muzzle-loading firearms, antique firearms, pellet guns or BB guns. Neither do they require one for shipments of firearm parts (other than frames, barrels, cylinders, receivers, and complete breech mechanisms) with a total wholesale value of less than $100 US.
The USA Department of Commerce is responsible for issuing export permits for telescopic sights and for shotguns of 18" or more. The USA State Department is responsible for issuing export permits for all other firearms. Therefore, if you are importing shotguns longer than 18" and other types of firearms from the same company, you must apply for more than one import permit.
The USA regulations specify that any import document that you provide must be in English. Import documents in any other language must be translated by a certified translator before they can be submitted to the USA government.
You may find additional information on USA requirements by referring to the web sites of the USA State Department and the USA Department of Commerce.
Available Canadian Documents
As an interim measure, import documents are available from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT). Depending on the type of firearms and/or firearm parts you are importing, you can apply for either:
An International Import Certificate (IIC) or
An Import Permit
To get application forms, instructions, and additional information, contact the Export Controls Division of DFAIT by fax at (613) 996-9933, by telephone at (613) 996-2387 or by writing to them at:
Export Controls Division (EPE)
Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT)
Tower C, 6th Floor
125 Sussex Drive
Ottawa ON K1A 0G2
You may also refer to DFAIT's web site for information.
If you import firearms or firearm parts, we recommend that you ask the Export Controls Division of DFAIT to include you on their mailing list so that they can keep you up to date on any new developments within their areas of responsibility.
Reminder
Any carrier company used to deliver firearms, restricted or prohibited weapons, parts of prohibited firearms or prohibited ammunition from the USA to your business must have a Firearms Act international carrier licence that is valid for those items.
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So no matter what you will have to start and get an import license
Then you will send a copy of that to your friend that will make the application as the EXPORTER with the US state department-
He will then be able after receipt of the paperwork to legally be able without liability of spending a long time in a US federal penitentiary be able to send your barrel to you.
Make sure your friend and yourself make all you dots dotted and the t's crossed in this matter or you may well live to regret trying to shortcut (just mail that barrel) the system.
I know all about it -- I bought a new in the bag Lithgow heavy sniper barrel for a no1 Lee Enfield from Australia.
This was before the laws changed here in Canada at that time you could import a barrel without an import permit but I had to go through the onerous Australian process requiring---
a) a military export permit
b) an Australian customs export permit.
It took about three months and everyone was checked out believe you me.
Have fun.
Regards
Terry in Victoria
Unfortunately the days of shipping barrels without paperwork are gone.
WATCHOUT-- barrels are now covered under the USA firearms export regulations you REQUIRE a US Export permit it has been a while and I do not have the links on this computer start with thr BATF search rifle exports or barrel exports etc.
However you will quickly find that this falls under the State Departments jurisdiction and they are the ones you have to get the export license from I believe last time I checked it took six weeks or so.
DO NOT MAIL IT WITHOUT PAPERWORK if it is caught by an xray search your A-ss is grass. They will allow it to proceed and you will be snatched by local police as will your firearms collection.
GONE, no appeals at first, go to court and tell the nice judge why you were shipping a military rifle barrel circumventing all controls and paperwork.
Whatya think the chances you are going to have your collection returned--nil.
Also you have just thrown your Firearms license away.
Now as to the Canadian Import paperwork, to import it under one regulation you would have to have bought it from a regustered US business with a proper sales receipt.
This law allows you to bring in some parts with a value under $100 but that law does not now allow barrels to be included last I checked.
Clive Law in Ottawa used to be the man in charge of the import permits but I am unsure of what department he now works for. There was and still may be-- no charge for the import permits, I believe that as in the US the paperwork is through the Canadian department of State.
Laws on importing and paperworkis as follows-----\
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PARTS AND COMPONENTS
14.1 (1) No individual shall import a cylinder, slide, bolt, breech-block or barrel of a firearm unless the individual has been authorized in writing to do so by the Registrar.
(2) For the purposes of these Regulations, the provisions of the Act and of these Regulations that apply to an authorization to import also apply, with any modifications that the circumstances require, to an authorization referred to in subsection (1).
OFFENCE
14.2 For the purpose of paragraph 117(o) of the Act, it is an offence to contravene subsection 14.1(1).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So yes you require an import permit and if you don;t get one and you get caught "well" we've already covered that.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
and
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
For example, under U.S. law, an export permit is required for all permanent exports of firearms, ammunition, and certain firearm parts. The U.S. authorities will not issue an export permit unless they have evidence that Canada will allow these goods to be imported. An International Import Certificate (IIC) issued by DFAIT will provide the required evidence. There is no fee for an IIC.
To obtain an application for an IIC, call DFAIT at (613) 996-2387 or 1 800 267-8376, or fax your request to (613) 996-9933. Please allow up to three weeks for the processing of an IIC application.
Once you get your IIC, you must send the original to the business or individual handling the export arrangements so that they can include it in their application for an export permit.
You and the exporter will have to decide between the two of you who will be responsible for obtaining any required authorizations from countries that the firearm may pass through in transit.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q4. I want to buy parts in the US for my firearm and import them into Canada.
A4. The US controls on the export of firearms extends to parts also. For small orders worth less than US$100.00 the US Department of State allows an exemption from the export licence. This exemption, however, does not cover ‘significant’ parts which includes; barrels, slides, cylinders, bolts, frames and receivers. It should be noted that there is no equivalent exemption offered by the Department of Commerce for shotgun parts. Further, there is no exemption for ammunition or ammunition components. Canadian importers should follow the procedure outlined in Q1 (above) to import parts not exempted.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
AND MORE FOR YOU
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
USA Requirements
Under the revised USA regulations, your suppliers in the United States need an export permit to permanently export firearms and firearm parts to Canada. To get an export permit, they need to include a Canadian import document with their application. It is up to you or your import agent to obtain such a document from the Government of Canada and give it to your supplier.
Exception: Your supplier does not require a Canadian import document for muzzle-loading firearms, antique firearms, pellet guns or BB guns. Neither do they require one for shipments of firearm parts (other than frames, barrels, cylinders, receivers, and complete breech mechanisms) with a total wholesale value of less than $100 US.
The USA Department of Commerce is responsible for issuing export permits for telescopic sights and for shotguns of 18" or more. The USA State Department is responsible for issuing export permits for all other firearms. Therefore, if you are importing shotguns longer than 18" and other types of firearms from the same company, you must apply for more than one import permit.
The USA regulations specify that any import document that you provide must be in English. Import documents in any other language must be translated by a certified translator before they can be submitted to the USA government.
You may find additional information on USA requirements by referring to the web sites of the USA State Department and the USA Department of Commerce.
Available Canadian Documents
As an interim measure, import documents are available from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT). Depending on the type of firearms and/or firearm parts you are importing, you can apply for either:
An International Import Certificate (IIC) or
An Import Permit
To get application forms, instructions, and additional information, contact the Export Controls Division of DFAIT by fax at (613) 996-9933, by telephone at (613) 996-2387 or by writing to them at:
Export Controls Division (EPE)
Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT)
Tower C, 6th Floor
125 Sussex Drive
Ottawa ON K1A 0G2
You may also refer to DFAIT's web site for information.
If you import firearms or firearm parts, we recommend that you ask the Export Controls Division of DFAIT to include you on their mailing list so that they can keep you up to date on any new developments within their areas of responsibility.
Reminder
Any carrier company used to deliver firearms, restricted or prohibited weapons, parts of prohibited firearms or prohibited ammunition from the USA to your business must have a Firearms Act international carrier licence that is valid for those items.
++++++++++++
So no matter what you will have to start and get an import license
Then you will send a copy of that to your friend that will make the application as the EXPORTER with the US state department-
He will then be able after receipt of the paperwork to legally be able without liability of spending a long time in a US federal penitentiary be able to send your barrel to you.
Make sure your friend and yourself make all you dots dotted and the t's crossed in this matter or you may well live to regret trying to shortcut (just mail that barrel) the system.
I know all about it -- I bought a new in the bag Lithgow heavy sniper barrel for a no1 Lee Enfield from Australia.
This was before the laws changed here in Canada at that time you could import a barrel without an import permit but I had to go through the onerous Australian process requiring---
a) a military export permit
b) an Australian customs export permit.
It took about three months and everyone was checked out believe you me.
Have fun.
Regards
Terry in Victoria
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- Location
- Courtenay B.C.
Contact Questar International. There's a banner on the top of the page. Thy will be able to help you. But be prepared to wait a long tome for it the paperwork take a wile to complete.
14.1 (1) No individual shall import a cylinder, slide, bolt, breech-block or barrel of a firearm unless the individual has been authorized in writing to do so by the Registrar
Whats the deal with this? I have imported cyliders for my bp revolvers all the time, never any problem, and it has been checked by customs! Same with bolts, I think this is null and void if its under 99$USD cause I have never had a problem, as long as its under the price.
Whats the deal with this? I have imported cyliders for my bp revolvers all the time, never any problem, and it has been checked by customs! Same with bolts, I think this is null and void if its under 99$USD cause I have never had a problem, as long as its under the price.
Bottom line: the exporter must be licensed by the U.S. Dept. of State.
Identify the licensed exporter. That is where you start.
Questar could do it.
http://www.questar.ca/
Its a crap shoot of laws from various gvmnt organizations
The laws are convoluted and have to deal with multi layers of government organizations.
The portion all you make note of --with the slides and bolts etc came from the Canadian Firearms web site I do not know if it has been enacted or not.
BUT KNOW THIS--
The allowed value of imported parts below $100 before you require both a US export permit and a Canadian import permit does not COVER A BARREL OF ANY TYPE. Read the text again right in the portion where it covers the 100.00 exclusion it SPECIFICALLY STATES --DOES NOT COVER BARRELS RECEIVERS AND MORE---.
If you have shipped into Canada a barrel from the USA you are breaking the law. Further to that I would not be posting that I had done so if I was any of you reading this right now. The Police in both the US and Canada do monitor these forums you know.
NOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE UNAWARE OF THE LAWS REMEMBER THIS AS YOU FACE either or--the police, prosecutor or judge.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE that has been an accepted fact from the dawn of time it is up to each one of us to know the laws wether they be ones dealing with criminality, traffic or whatever.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE, a judge will actually point that out to people that state to the judge hoping that it will deflect their transgressions--but your honour I DID BOT KNOW THAT was illegal.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE.
Now back to brass tacks here.
I am glad the member here that started the thread asked the question, because there are more than one individual that needs educating and I say that with no ill will.
If one forum member has been importing barrels or slides without the US paperwork and Canadian import paperwork then he or she would be well advised to get to know the law ----here are a few details.
a) the US prohibits export of slides barrels etc--- HERE IS THE --GUN PARTS CORPORTAION TO INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS--------------------========================================
FOREIGN CUSTOMERS:
Please complete your order in English. The U.S. Department of state requires that all export orders contain an English language purchase order. Make sure your name and complete address, including your COUNTRY, appear clearly on your order. The U.S. Department of State requires an export license if your order exceeds $100.00 or includes the following restricted items: barrel, cylinder, frame, bolt assembly, complete firearm or ammunition. We will require an original import certificate, signed in ink or certified copy from your government. The U.S. Export license application process can take four weeks or more. You will be notified by mail, FAX or e-mail, and your order will not be processed until your license is approved. You will be responsible for any tariff, tax or duty.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Note the wording -- you require an export permit if the order is OVER $100 or if the order has any of the following parts--slides, bolts, barrels, ammunition etc etc.
So what this requires to anyone that says CANADA CUSTOMS HAS NEVER QUESTIONED MY IMPORTS. what this requires is for you and the exporter to acquire an AMERICAN export permit at this point there is no requirement for any Canadian import paperwork.
BUT NOTE: that the US paperwork will not be issued until YOU send them your CANADIAN IMPORT PAPERWORK.
By this method the US requires you to apply for and receive CANADIAN IMPORT paperwork for you to apply for and receive ANY US EXPORT PAPERWORK.
AND KNOW THIS-- Canadian Customs don't give a hoot about you requiring any US export paperwork. HOWEVER it is their job if advised that you are breaking US EXPORT laws that require you to apply for a CANADIAN IMPORT certificate they will now charge you with a Canadian Crime and since it involves a CANADIAN Firearms you will now be dealing with the CANADIAN RCMP and the Canadian Firearms Center .
Most likely you have just put your firearms collection in jeopardy.
Personally -- my firearms collection is worth more to me that what the risk of importing a firearm part by way of no paperwork and legal requirements.
As I said in my post I have bought firearms parts from Austalia that required both a MILITARY EXPORT certificate and a AUS CUSTOMS export approval form. Then of course at the Australian MAIL depot they ask for and receive their copies of the mil and cus export forms otherwise after you leave and they have x-rayed the box and then realized it contains something they have no paperwork for you will have a knock at the door from the police pretty fast.
My mother and six brothers and sisters live in the USA.
From Washington State to San Diego California my Fathers sisters live in , Florida, Nevada, Detroit, so I have made it my job to know the law on imports and exports.
Also speaking with Clive Law who ran the import division of the portion of the Canadian Government that is responsible for firearms and firearms parts he made it clear that you do not want to be caught breaking these laws.
GUNS GONE basically is the story for anyone that caught.
No reputable corporation in the USA is going to risk going to the Federal Penitentiary for shipping barrels slides etc to Canada so our forum member must be getting them from a friend in the US.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Again as GPC GUN Parts Corp points out quite specifically and they are not the only ones ---
GPC again+++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++
FOREIGN CUSTOMERS:
Please complete your order in English. The U.S. Department of state requires that all export orders contain an English language purchase order. Make sure your name and complete address, including your COUNTRY, appear clearly on your order. The U.S. Department of State requires an export license if your order exceeds $100.00 or includes the following restricted items: barrel, cylinder, frame, bolt assembly, complete firearm or ammunition. We will require an original import certificate, signed in ink or certified copy from your government. The U.S. Export license application process can take four weeks or more. You will be notified by mail, FAX or e-mail, and your order will not be processed until your license is approved. You will be responsible for any tariff, tax or duty.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NOW here is what BROWNELLS international shipping quotes about US laws that again require an export permit and consequently a Canadian import to get that US export permit. REMEMBER THIS ALSO INCLUDES ALL PRIVATE SALES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY MOST US AUCTION SELLERS WILL NO LONGER SHIP THESE PARTS TO CANADA++++++
BROWNELLS REGULATIONS to COMPLY with US LAW-----
Parcel Post Air to Canada
Same as Parcel Post Surface except delivery time is only 3 to 4 weeks. Brokerage fees are not included in shipping charges. Consult International Shipping Restrictions for further delivery limitations.
Part 4: Additional Fees
Gun Parts: Fees and Licenses
Many of our items are classified as Gun Parts. There are many strictly enforced rules that go along with these parts.
A Gun Part is “any item necessary to the operation of a weapon”. Many parts fall within this category, such as triggers, magazines, grips, actions, pistol frames, and barrels.
Shippers Export Declaration Fees (SED)
An SED is required for all gun part orders and export license orders.
Export License Fees
An Export License is required for all Gun Part orders exceeding $100 (U.S.). Export licenses are issued by the U.S. State Department and may take between 30 and 40 days to receive. An Export License is will be required for each order.
Orders requiring an Export License will be shipped BAX Global or Parcel Post. Neither UPS nor FedEx will deliver these orders. If you wish to use a different freight forwarder, please list them when you place your order. Freight forwarders, besides BAX Global and Parcel Post, require an initial set-up fee of $50 (U.S.).
All actions, barreled actions, pistol frames, barrels, barrel liners, and cylinders (even if their price is less than $100, will require a United States Export License.)
REMBER THIS GUYS AND GALS---- If you ask a friend or associate that resides in the USA to ship any of these firearms parts to you in Canada you are exposing them and yourselves to some pretty onerous firearls laws.
Get caught and try to enter the US again in your lifetime.
Or fly to the Bahamas or Mexico and your plane is diverted for whatever reason to a landing in the US--your toast.
Basically we all get the idea if I put it this way-- Figure on never ever stepping foot into the USA in your lifetime.
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So even though the laws may seem overly --legal beagle.
Believe me- ----
---------the paperwork is easy
---compared to your legal fees after getting caught
---compared to the loss of your firearms collection
---comapred to looking out through steel bars
---compared to the loss of intl travel into the US
---compared to the loss of your privacy when a search warrant is executed one day after your big importation (a slide or barrel) usually because you have firearms the warrant may well be executed late at night after all your lights are out or early in the am before you are up.
Good way to catch what they would consider a potential violent individual from taking any action after all the warrant would point out that you are ILLEGALLY importing into Canada restricted items by way of being required to have that darned US export permit and the coincidental requirement to apply for and receive that darned Canadian import permit before that darned god damned US export permit could be issued.
So with breaking one law outside Canada and to comply with that law you were required to apply for a Canadian permit you now have broken laws in two countries.
NOW I have been a bit strong in all this, but it comes from the heart. I DO NOT WANT anyone to have a legal problem.
I do not want anyone to loose their firearms collection.
I do not want anyone to incurr stiff legal fees to defend themselves in court.
In short -- do the paperwork it is free if you do it privately. Companies like GPC and Brownells have a fee for their processing the US Export permits.
Cheers
Terry in Victoria
The laws are convoluted and have to deal with multi layers of government organizations.
The portion all you make note of --with the slides and bolts etc came from the Canadian Firearms web site I do not know if it has been enacted or not.
BUT KNOW THIS--
The allowed value of imported parts below $100 before you require both a US export permit and a Canadian import permit does not COVER A BARREL OF ANY TYPE. Read the text again right in the portion where it covers the 100.00 exclusion it SPECIFICALLY STATES --DOES NOT COVER BARRELS RECEIVERS AND MORE---.
If you have shipped into Canada a barrel from the USA you are breaking the law. Further to that I would not be posting that I had done so if I was any of you reading this right now. The Police in both the US and Canada do monitor these forums you know.
NOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE UNAWARE OF THE LAWS REMEMBER THIS AS YOU FACE either or--the police, prosecutor or judge.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE that has been an accepted fact from the dawn of time it is up to each one of us to know the laws wether they be ones dealing with criminality, traffic or whatever.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE, a judge will actually point that out to people that state to the judge hoping that it will deflect their transgressions--but your honour I DID BOT KNOW THAT was illegal.
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO DEFENCE.
Now back to brass tacks here.
I am glad the member here that started the thread asked the question, because there are more than one individual that needs educating and I say that with no ill will.
If one forum member has been importing barrels or slides without the US paperwork and Canadian import paperwork then he or she would be well advised to get to know the law ----here are a few details.
a) the US prohibits export of slides barrels etc--- HERE IS THE --GUN PARTS CORPORTAION TO INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS--------------------========================================
FOREIGN CUSTOMERS:
Please complete your order in English. The U.S. Department of state requires that all export orders contain an English language purchase order. Make sure your name and complete address, including your COUNTRY, appear clearly on your order. The U.S. Department of State requires an export license if your order exceeds $100.00 or includes the following restricted items: barrel, cylinder, frame, bolt assembly, complete firearm or ammunition. We will require an original import certificate, signed in ink or certified copy from your government. The U.S. Export license application process can take four weeks or more. You will be notified by mail, FAX or e-mail, and your order will not be processed until your license is approved. You will be responsible for any tariff, tax or duty.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Note the wording -- you require an export permit if the order is OVER $100 or if the order has any of the following parts--slides, bolts, barrels, ammunition etc etc.
So what this requires to anyone that says CANADA CUSTOMS HAS NEVER QUESTIONED MY IMPORTS. what this requires is for you and the exporter to acquire an AMERICAN export permit at this point there is no requirement for any Canadian import paperwork.
BUT NOTE: that the US paperwork will not be issued until YOU send them your CANADIAN IMPORT PAPERWORK.
By this method the US requires you to apply for and receive CANADIAN IMPORT paperwork for you to apply for and receive ANY US EXPORT PAPERWORK.
AND KNOW THIS-- Canadian Customs don't give a hoot about you requiring any US export paperwork. HOWEVER it is their job if advised that you are breaking US EXPORT laws that require you to apply for a CANADIAN IMPORT certificate they will now charge you with a Canadian Crime and since it involves a CANADIAN Firearms you will now be dealing with the CANADIAN RCMP and the Canadian Firearms Center .
Most likely you have just put your firearms collection in jeopardy.
Personally -- my firearms collection is worth more to me that what the risk of importing a firearm part by way of no paperwork and legal requirements.
As I said in my post I have bought firearms parts from Austalia that required both a MILITARY EXPORT certificate and a AUS CUSTOMS export approval form. Then of course at the Australian MAIL depot they ask for and receive their copies of the mil and cus export forms otherwise after you leave and they have x-rayed the box and then realized it contains something they have no paperwork for you will have a knock at the door from the police pretty fast.
My mother and six brothers and sisters live in the USA.
From Washington State to San Diego California my Fathers sisters live in , Florida, Nevada, Detroit, so I have made it my job to know the law on imports and exports.
Also speaking with Clive Law who ran the import division of the portion of the Canadian Government that is responsible for firearms and firearms parts he made it clear that you do not want to be caught breaking these laws.
GUNS GONE basically is the story for anyone that caught.
No reputable corporation in the USA is going to risk going to the Federal Penitentiary for shipping barrels slides etc to Canada so our forum member must be getting them from a friend in the US.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Again as GPC GUN Parts Corp points out quite specifically and they are not the only ones ---
GPC again+++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++
FOREIGN CUSTOMERS:
Please complete your order in English. The U.S. Department of state requires that all export orders contain an English language purchase order. Make sure your name and complete address, including your COUNTRY, appear clearly on your order. The U.S. Department of State requires an export license if your order exceeds $100.00 or includes the following restricted items: barrel, cylinder, frame, bolt assembly, complete firearm or ammunition. We will require an original import certificate, signed in ink or certified copy from your government. The U.S. Export license application process can take four weeks or more. You will be notified by mail, FAX or e-mail, and your order will not be processed until your license is approved. You will be responsible for any tariff, tax or duty.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NOW here is what BROWNELLS international shipping quotes about US laws that again require an export permit and consequently a Canadian import to get that US export permit. REMEMBER THIS ALSO INCLUDES ALL PRIVATE SALES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY MOST US AUCTION SELLERS WILL NO LONGER SHIP THESE PARTS TO CANADA++++++
BROWNELLS REGULATIONS to COMPLY with US LAW-----
Parcel Post Air to Canada
Same as Parcel Post Surface except delivery time is only 3 to 4 weeks. Brokerage fees are not included in shipping charges. Consult International Shipping Restrictions for further delivery limitations.
Part 4: Additional Fees
Gun Parts: Fees and Licenses
Many of our items are classified as Gun Parts. There are many strictly enforced rules that go along with these parts.
A Gun Part is “any item necessary to the operation of a weapon”. Many parts fall within this category, such as triggers, magazines, grips, actions, pistol frames, and barrels.
Shippers Export Declaration Fees (SED)
An SED is required for all gun part orders and export license orders.
Export License Fees
An Export License is required for all Gun Part orders exceeding $100 (U.S.). Export licenses are issued by the U.S. State Department and may take between 30 and 40 days to receive. An Export License is will be required for each order.
Orders requiring an Export License will be shipped BAX Global or Parcel Post. Neither UPS nor FedEx will deliver these orders. If you wish to use a different freight forwarder, please list them when you place your order. Freight forwarders, besides BAX Global and Parcel Post, require an initial set-up fee of $50 (U.S.).
All actions, barreled actions, pistol frames, barrels, barrel liners, and cylinders (even if their price is less than $100, will require a United States Export License.)
REMBER THIS GUYS AND GALS---- If you ask a friend or associate that resides in the USA to ship any of these firearms parts to you in Canada you are exposing them and yourselves to some pretty onerous firearls laws.
Get caught and try to enter the US again in your lifetime.
Or fly to the Bahamas or Mexico and your plane is diverted for whatever reason to a landing in the US--your toast.
Basically we all get the idea if I put it this way-- Figure on never ever stepping foot into the USA in your lifetime.
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So even though the laws may seem overly --legal beagle.
Believe me- ----
---------the paperwork is easy
---compared to your legal fees after getting caught
---compared to the loss of your firearms collection
---comapred to looking out through steel bars
---compared to the loss of intl travel into the US
---compared to the loss of your privacy when a search warrant is executed one day after your big importation (a slide or barrel) usually because you have firearms the warrant may well be executed late at night after all your lights are out or early in the am before you are up.
Good way to catch what they would consider a potential violent individual from taking any action after all the warrant would point out that you are ILLEGALLY importing into Canada restricted items by way of being required to have that darned US export permit and the coincidental requirement to apply for and receive that darned Canadian import permit before that darned god damned US export permit could be issued.
So with breaking one law outside Canada and to comply with that law you were required to apply for a Canadian permit you now have broken laws in two countries.
NOW I have been a bit strong in all this, but it comes from the heart. I DO NOT WANT anyone to have a legal problem.
I do not want anyone to loose their firearms collection.
I do not want anyone to incurr stiff legal fees to defend themselves in court.
In short -- do the paperwork it is free if you do it privately. Companies like GPC and Brownells have a fee for their processing the US Export permits.
Cheers
Terry in Victoria
