I have a shorty garand in 308 ( yes i will post pictures later) I was shooting on the range about 3 weeks ago when we had a double fire ( a bang and another bang right after). Anyway my Garand seems really loose does nay one else have this problem I am having it check at the gunsmith anyway I think it might be the stock but I am not sure any ideas?
Garand question
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Both fired cases were normal? It would seem that the disconnect function didn't work properly. The double hook system used in the M-1 is pretty straightforeward. There might be some crud in the trigger mechanism, worn engagement surfaces, tired springs, etc. Anyone tried to "improve" the trigger pull? If you suspect the stock, is there any chance that wood is contacting trigger parts?
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The history I got from this was 50 rounds total fired from total. My friend was shooting it at the time when it went boom BOOM He was not using my milsurp ammo but a higher grade ammo I had just fired 80 rounds through it that morning. I was hoping it was one of those fluke things but the stock does seem looser. I will have it checked, it has been head spaced and it is in spec. It is a really nice rifle and I want to shoot it more. I just like to be safe about it. The clip slide???????( the part that pushes up the enbloc) broke at the time but I have had it replaced. So off to the gunsmith for a check up.
The history I got from this was 50 rounds total fired from total. My friend was shooting it at the time when it went boom BOOM He was not using my milsurp ammo but a higher grade ammo I had just fired 80 rounds through it that morning. I was hoping it was one of those fluke things but the stock does seem looser. I will have it checked, it has been head spaced and it is in spec. It is a really nice rifle and I want to shoot it more. I just like to be safe about it. The clip slide???????( the part that pushes up the enbloc) broke at the time but I have had it replaced. So off to the gunsmith for a check up.
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Tell us the sequence - which rounds doubled? First two in the clip, five and six, etc? It is relevant, because some Garands eject the clip prematurely or stoppage on the 7th round. These are known conditions with known fixes.
Shortie Garands are handy little guns, but the conversion to .308 adds a few cautions. These "fixes" are a few I remember from other internet discussions about 30-06 to 308 conversions and normal length to short barrels.
For instance, the gas port on a normal length 308 barrel is supposed to be slightly enlarged for better oomph. The solution is to drill out of the gas port, or get an adjustable gas plug.
Likewise the height of eight 308 cartridges in the clip is ever so slightly taller than eight 30-06s, and some receivers have tighter tolerences which make stripping that first round off the clip a real #####. Without knowing exactly where the Garand Master Gunsmiths relieve the receiver, I'd think that grinding the "lifter" a fraction thinner would do the same trick.
The final area for attention is a spacer block in the receiver to keep 308s from sliding forwards in the clip. Not really a problem for 95 guns of 100, but apparently it can be a problem.
Here is my suggestion to explain your doubling Tanker. You answered your own question without knowing it. The Garand firing pin is freefloating. Unlike other guns, there is no spring to keep it out of contact with the primer when the bolt closes. Every time I unload my Garand I cringe at the sight of tiny dents in the unfired cartridges. If your buddy was firing commercial ammo, I'd bet my Father's Day steak dinner that he had a "slam fire" from the firing pin hitting the newly chambered round and its softer commercial primer. The round fired just as if the firing pin was struck by the hammer. The solution is to use harder primers or only fire military surplus.
Shortie Garands are handy little guns, but the conversion to .308 adds a few cautions. These "fixes" are a few I remember from other internet discussions about 30-06 to 308 conversions and normal length to short barrels.
For instance, the gas port on a normal length 308 barrel is supposed to be slightly enlarged for better oomph. The solution is to drill out of the gas port, or get an adjustable gas plug.
Likewise the height of eight 308 cartridges in the clip is ever so slightly taller than eight 30-06s, and some receivers have tighter tolerences which make stripping that first round off the clip a real #####. Without knowing exactly where the Garand Master Gunsmiths relieve the receiver, I'd think that grinding the "lifter" a fraction thinner would do the same trick.
The final area for attention is a spacer block in the receiver to keep 308s from sliding forwards in the clip. Not really a problem for 95 guns of 100, but apparently it can be a problem.
Here is my suggestion to explain your doubling Tanker. You answered your own question without knowing it. The Garand firing pin is freefloating. Unlike other guns, there is no spring to keep it out of contact with the primer when the bolt closes. Every time I unload my Garand I cringe at the sight of tiny dents in the unfired cartridges. If your buddy was firing commercial ammo, I'd bet my Father's Day steak dinner that he had a "slam fire" from the firing pin hitting the newly chambered round and its softer commercial primer. The round fired just as if the firing pin was struck by the hammer. The solution is to use harder primers or only fire military surplus.
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I believe you are correct. Number 7 and 8 were the bullets that caused the slamm fire and the were hornady????????// 168 grain. Now when I first got it it did have trouble sliding the first shell into the chamber.... after a few hundred rounds it seemed to work much easier. As for the spacer mine does not have it it was a S.A conversion and no spacer barrel or enbloc required. I am only using the surplus ammo in it form now on. I have to take it for a check and will post my results on here any info or insite is a great help as I am new at this milsurp stuff.
I believe you are correct. Number 7 and 8 were the bullets that caused the slamm fire and the were hornady????????// 168 grain. Now when I first got it it did have trouble sliding the first shell into the chamber.... after a few hundred rounds it seemed to work much easier. As for the spacer mine does not have it it was a S.A conversion and no spacer barrel or enbloc required. I am only using the surplus ammo in it form now on. I have to take it for a check and will post my results on here any info or insite is a great help as I am new at this milsurp stuff.
I can make my Garand double or tripple and at first this was a little disconcerting. I have a friend who is a member of the USAMU and has shot these for a living in the past. He can also do this at will and this is a standard with the Garand if you know how to control a trigger. To prevent it you need a little looser grip on the stock so your follow through is not as well controlled. If you pull the trigger well through it will not happen - unless of course you have other problems as well.
"...stoppage on the 7th round..." That was fixed in the late 30's.
"Slam fires" are caused by two things. Poorly seated primers and operator failure. The former is easily fixed by seating the primers properly. The second is caused by the shooter releasing the trigger while the rifle is still in recoil and the trigger being 'bumped' by the shooter's finger. Mind you, depending on who built it, the rifle may just be poorly bubba'd.
"Slam fires" are caused by two things. Poorly seated primers and operator failure. The former is easily fixed by seating the primers properly. The second is caused by the shooter releasing the trigger while the rifle is still in recoil and the trigger being 'bumped' by the shooter's finger. Mind you, depending on who built it, the rifle may just be poorly bubba'd.
