Garand re-barrel, help needed!

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If you've read the "Garand kicks ass" thread in Milsurp recently, this is pretty much a re-read of my last post. I'm not getting any help there, but maybe I will here. I just got my "new" 1943 M1 (with a '65 barrel) out to the range last week. Our local "expert" took a look at it and said that other than the barrel, the rifle was in good condition.
After the shoot, I got in touch with SA to find out how much it would cost for them to rebarrel and parkerize the rifle for me. Because I plan on doing this in the new year, I haven't looked into permits and such yet.
After posting this on the Milsurp forum, I was told on there that SA is a really bad idea for rebarreling and parkerizing. They said that it would be a lot of hassle to get it out there (Navy Gunner also informed me of hte difficulties) and that the rifle I get back may not have the parts I sent out for parkerizing. No one on here yet has said where I can get it done in Canada. Navy Gunner told me of a place but I forgot what it was called.
Can someone help me out? Could I send SA the barrel with little to no hassle and get just the re-barreling done as this is the only real problem I have? What about here in Canada? Can someone suggest a good, reliable place for the re-barreling and possible parkerizing? Help Please.
 
So your "" "expert". (hmm should my "" be inside another set of "" so it would be like """" or do i leave it like "") :D :D :D :D That leads me to believe that you are not sure he is an "expert". Regardless, don't know the guy, don't care. Why does the "expert" think its no good. Did he look at it? Did he use muzzle and throat erosion gauges? Is it dark or frosty? Does the rifle shoot bad? Just wanting to make sure you don't needlessly piss money away. What made him think it was no good? Out of curiousty, who is the maker of the barrel?

LI
 
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The local expert that looked at it had his Garand sent down to SA for a re-work a few years back.

The muzzle erosion test done was by putting a bullet into the muzzle, tip first, and seeing how far in it went...dropped right in up to the neck of the case. (so I'm told)

Note, I'm not the local expert on Garands, I just know him well and we had a quick talk about the rifle in question here, with the above being the gist of the conversation.

NS
 
Thats the name NG gave me!!

+1 to Navy Shooter. As I was there, he put a light through the barrel to visually inspect it. Than he used the bullet as stated by NS. Being there and watching him, it did go up to the neck. Probably would have gone farther too as it seemed to have some play.
Thanks NS. That was the name I forgot. Will be googling them tonight after the competition.
And btw I was using the "" around expert due to the lack of another term for such a highly skilled and informed individual whom I'd seek advice about Garands the next time I have questions.
 
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Was this the thread that got locked? There was a post that a dealer wanted $175 to parkerize a detached barrel, and $450 to remove one barrel and screw in another?
Its not a proper gauge, but try a bullet, not a cartridge in the muzzle. If a .30 calibre barrel will accept a .308 bullet, the bore at the muzzle is oversized.
By all means, carefully test fire the rifle. If it shoots well enough that you are satisfied, leave it alone.
Recently a friend had a '03A3 barrel changed by Jason at Gunco in Nepean. It was necessary to slightly adjust the barrel shoulder for index, and then slightly ream the chamber to set headspace. The total cost was $160, including the replacement barrel, which was $100 of the total. I don't think Jason parkerizes. But a beadblast, followed by hot bluing gives a nice dark matte finish. Or, blast the exposed portion of the barrel, then cold blue blue it with Oxphoblue. The appearance will be excellent, either way.
Keep in mind that there aren't many options in installing a finished Garand barrel; indexing and headspace are pretty much set and inter-related. If the replacement barrel torques in and is properly timed, but headspace is excessive, about the only cure is to try different bolts and see if one can be found that produces correct headspace.
I've changed barrels on M-1 and M-14 type rifles. It really isn't rocket science. Hardly in the same category as threading, chambering and fitting a blank.
 
For Parkerizing,you may want to try and do it yourself. There is a place in Canada called PJ's Gun and Metal Care Products that has the Parkerizing solution and the info to be able to do it. The product is called "Radocy". You can look it up on his web site. Use Yahoo Canada or Yahoo and check it out. I think a kit of this is around $75 and apparently is produces a nice finish. I haven't used it but am considering it for a project. Cheers.
 
The Radocy product is easy to use, and produces excellent results. Keep in mind that you don't want to parkerize the bore and chamber.
 
Tiriaq

The thread that was locked was another one. Radocy prodcut is pretty good as you say. A friend showed me his finished product and it looked great. I read an article (maybe a thread on this board?) where some one was saying that it was no big deal parking the inside of the barrel?! Besides the "ugliness" on the inside, I would think that the chamber would get rough and cause extraction problems? Don't you think?

LI
 
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Tiriaq

The thread that was locked was another one. Radocy prodcut is pretty good as you say. A friend showed me his finished product and it looked great. I read an article (maybe a thread on this board?) where some one was saying that it was no big deal parking the inside of the barrel?! Besides the "ugliness" on the inside, I would think that the chamber would get rough and cause extraction problems? Don't you think?

LI
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Parking the bore and chamber of a barrel would ruin it.
 
Ellwood Eps

NS, I googled the Ellwood Eps site, and took a look around. For about $100 + barrel cost, they can rebarrel my M1. I emailed them for details. Also, they carry 30-06 and 7.62 x 54R ammo. I asked for prices. Never know when I'm going to need to get more. Anyone know where I can get loads of 30-06 ammo at less than $1/rnd?
 
Thanks for the clarification. A nicely parked finish has a slightly etched surface. Why would anyone want to do that to a bore and chamber? The expansion of air inside the barrel from the heat of the bath could force out plugs. You want to displace the air from the bore. I use a threaded rod through the bore, with seals held in place by nuts. With most of the air excluded, a plug can be tapped into the gas port. The protruding rod ends give a good place to attach suspension hooks.
 
Fulton Armoury would be the place to send it, if you could. My understanding is that if it's a lend lease gun it would be confiscated by the US goverment, it actualy belongs to them. So sending it out to the US would be out of the question. I could be wrong about this.
 
I supplied my own barrel to Gobels in London Ontario and the smith there did a bang up job of rebarreling for me for less than 70 dollars including half a box of american eagle ammo that he used to test fire, giving me the other half. Found a new GI barrel at knob creek last year for less than 90 american :dancingbanana: Took my rifle from keyholing at 50 yards to 2 inch groups at 100
 
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C&L :
I googled Gobels but couldn't find them. Can you supply the web site? I'll try looking it up tonight or on the weekend when I'm home from sailing. Does anyone know where I can pick up a barrel for a decent price?
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I supose it would help if i spelled it right. Goble's firearms. Do a google search on Goble's guns and you'll hit it. If not pm me and I'll send you a link.
 
"...Parking the bore and chamber of a barrel would ruin it..." Nope. It won't bother the barrel, but it's better to put an empty case in the chamber and tap a cast .30 cal bullet into the muzzle, just enough to keep it there.
The 'bullet test' is not a proper test of muzzle wear, like tiriaq says. It'll give you a very vague idea of muzzle wear, but it's not accurate enough.
Fulton is not the best place either. Aside from being expensive, they won't sell to Canadians due to U.S. laws, so why patronize them.
SA Inc isn't good either. They're in the business of selling rifles, not gun smithing.
Go to Epps.
 
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Sunray,
I emailed Epps last night and this morning. It would cost me $700 to repark and rebarrel. I asked them to break it down and at $500 to rebarrel (including barrel) and $200 to repark, they seem a little high. This is why I'm looking elsewhere for purchasing barrels and gunsmiths within a more reasonable price range.
 
the price epps is quoting, what kind of barrel is that? It seems really high unless we're talking stainless match or something similar. Also, you'd do better to get it re-parked yourself rather than have it done by a gunsmith who's probably just going to send it out to a finisher to do it for him. As said, re-barrelling a M-1 is very simple, less than an hour's labour. A GI or aftermarket barrel should be parkerized when you get it, so if you want to get the reciever done, just do it and not the barrel.
 
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