Getting past 5 rounds with an AICS mag?

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Posted this a couple years ago, but didn't get any real answers. Wondering if anyone else has thought of this.

Maybe I'm missing something, but would it not be possible to create an adapter which allows certain MBRs to utilize AICS 308 magazines?

These magazines are readily available in both 5 and 10 round sizes, and nothing is stopping anyone from selling a 20 rounder.

Yes, I know that they're single stack, but there are semi-autos that feed from single-stack mags, so that shouldn't be a deal breaker. And with some companies building AICS mags which go double stack to single stack, they needn't be too long.

Heck, for that matter, is AI also making double stack mags (AW mags) for some of their newer bolt-actions?

Just a thought.
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Thanks to Ruger and the Gunsite Scout Rifle, these mags are relatively cheaply and easily available in Canada in 10+ round capacities. With an adapter or machining, would they work in a M305?

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The AIA 308 magaines for the Lee enfeild rifles just pop right in.

I think the AW has the best chance out of them but it might be to big.

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haha49 said:
The AIA 308 magaines for the Lee enfeild rifles just pop right in.

I think the AW has the best chance out of them but it might be to big.
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I know about the AIA Mags, but since these aren't being imported anymore, they may as well be milled from unobtainium.

This thread isn't about AIA magazines, but about the possibility of using an adapter or machining to allow readily available bolt-action magazines (e.g., AICS or AW mags) to work with the M305. Is it even feasible?
 
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"...in 10+ round capacities...." Illegal. Only Lee-Enfields and M1 Rifles are exempt from the daft mag capacity law. A 10 plus round mag is evil all by itself.
 
sunray said:
"...in 10+ round capacities...." Illegal. Only Lee-Enfields and M1 Rifles are exempt from the daft mag capacity law. A 10 plus round mag is evil all by itself.
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Magazines designed and intended for a semiautomatic centerfire rifle have a maximum capacity of 5 of the cartridge they are designed for and intended to hold.

Magazines designed and intended for a manually-operate centerfire rifle have no maximum capacity.

The AICS family of magazines are designed and intended for manually-operated centerfire rifles, as such they have no maximum capacity. For example, the steel 10 round mags for the Ruger Gunsite Scout commonly held 12 or 13, and that was perfectly legal because the magazine was designed and intended for a manually operated centerfire rifle. If a person designed an adapter to use those magazines in a M14, it would be perfectly legal because the capacity is determined by what firearm the magazine was intended for and not what one it is actually used in.

From the horse's mouth, http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
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sunray said:
"...in 10+ round capacities...." Illegal. Only Lee-Enfields and M1 Rifles are exempt from the daft mag capacity law. A 10 plus round mag is evil all by itself.
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How many times do we have to tell you you're wrong about this? Read the freaking magazine capacity regulations for once, word for word, instead of giving us your "opinion" of the law! The regulations are written regarding the capacity of the magazines themselves, not the firearms themselves, and the magazines in question in this thread are made for centrefire bolt action rifles, not centrefire semi autos, so there is no capacity limitation on them. There is NO LAW in the Firearms Act, the regulations pertaining to it, or the Criminal Code of Canada stating you can't use a bolt action rifle's magazine in a semi auto, and there is NO LAW stating the magazine has to be blocked to 5 rounds if you do so.

PART 4

PROHIBITED DEVICES

Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations


  • 3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
    • (a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
      • (i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
      • (ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
      • (iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
      • (iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
      • (v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
      • (vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
    • (b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
  • (2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
    • (a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
      • (i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
      • (ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
      • (iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;
    • (b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
      • (i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,
      • (ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or
      • (iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;
    • (c) is of the “drum” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as
      • (i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,
      • (ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or
      • (iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;
    • (d) is of the “metallic-strip” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;
    • (e) is of the “saddle-drum” type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or
    • (f) is of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.
  • (3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that
    • (a) is of the “snail-drum” type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or “Luger”, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;
    • (b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;
    • (c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 (“broomhandle”), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or
    • (d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.
  • (4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
  • (5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
    • (a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
    • (b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
    • (c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
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Am I being harsh? Maybe. But for being someone with 18,000+ posts on this forum, you've been corrected on this issue several times before and you still refuse to learn.
 
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Hi is Sunray..;) but not as bright..;)
fnrob said:
How many times do we have to tell you you're wrong about this? Read the freaking magazine capacity regulations for once, word for word, instead of giving us your "opinion" of the law! The regulations are written regarding the capacity of the magazines themselves, not the firearms themselves, and the magazines in question in this thread are made for centrefire bolt action rifles, not centrefire semi autos, so there is no capacity limitation on them. There is NO LAW in the Firearms Act, the regulations pertaining to it, or the Criminal Code of Canada stating you can't use a bolt action rifle's magazine in a semi auto, and there is NO LAW stating the magazine has to be blocked to 5 rounds if you do so.



Am I being harsh? Maybe. But for being someone with 18,000+ posts on this forum, you've been corrected on this issue several times before and you still refuse to learn.
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