glock frame modifications

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Question to all of you glock owners, helpful comments needed:

I recently purchased Glock 19 and 23 restricted, and a Glock 22.

Looking at the frame, would you consider a home project to cut the bottom part out, so for example, a Glock 22 frame will become a Glock 23 frame, and use the more compact magazine? A Glock 17 can use the Glock 19 magazine?

Lots of CGN members looking for a restricted 19 or 23, but the extended barrel does not reduce length significantly, while i read comments, which i agree, that the shorter frame gives better balance and pointing in most hands, (it would at least get rid of the bottom gap in the front strap).

there is a U.S. site that charges a fee for shortening the glock frame, but looking at the glock, it seems like a not overly complicated home shop project to cut the bottom half inch and dremel it smooth.

i don't think it affects any legalities with the firearm centre, serial number still there, nothing essential changed, etc.?

Welcome your comments, especially from anyone who have shortened the glock frame already.
 
hatman1793 said:
Frame chopping the Glocks is too much effort. When you go to sell it, you will have to explain why a G22 is now a G23 or shorter.
Just buy the short frame G you want, that's why they make them.
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Who said anything about selling them?? No offence directed towards you hatman, but what's with everyone's obsession with "resale value". Firearms like vehicles rarely maintain value and almost never increase in value. The more you shoot it, the less it is worth(in terms of replacement value). If He's willing to chop a full size pistol down, then I'm sure he's not overly concerned with resale value.

I purchase firearms I wish to keep. I never sell firearms. If I don't like it for life, I don't buy it. Saves me from having to flip kit for a loss and still end up where I started.

TDC
 
I did it...

I thought it was cool for about 5 minutes then my stomach started to turn as I realized what I had done... I ended up paying and replacing the frame.

I would recommend against it; I still keep the little bit of frame in my tool box as a reminder ;)
 
I just put my new G17 in front of me, I found that if you shorten the grip a little to fit the G19 mag, it can be done very very easy without affect the whole shape of the grip BUT you may have to saw that logo and the outline away which may not be good looking. I am with Hatman and G37 in this case.

Trigun
 
TDC said:
Who said anything about selling them?? No offence directed towards you hatman, but what's with everyone's obsession with "resale value". Firearms like vehicles rarely maintain value and almost never increase in value. The more you shoot it, the less it is worth(in terms of replacement value). If He's willing to chop a full size pistol down, then I'm sure he's not overly concerned with resale value.

I purchase firearms I wish to keep. I never sell firearms. If I don't like it for life, I don't buy it. Saves me from having to flip kit for a loss and still end up where I started.

TDC
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How do you know you'll like it for life if you haven't bought it and tested it? I've been through so many guns in the last ten years it makes my head spin. I'm finally getting my collection to where it I know I'll use evrything and I'll like it. But I had to go through a LOT of guns before I knew what I wanted,needed,and could shoot well. You must have special powers that I have yet to aquire...

Now to find my perfect bolt gun, I've only been through five so far and am still looking ;)
 
I've owned several G17s, which always seemed just a teensy bit too big to me. So I went and bought a G26, and made it into a restricted only with a 5" SS ported barrel, and quite often used the longer 17 mags as well. This G26 was very Very nice ... until you actually shot it. My scores went down about 20 % when I shot the G26 instead of the G17 ... even with that 5" SS ported barrel. That little short gripped sucker just squirmed a bit too much for my hands.

Plus, if you bent wristed the 26 sometimes that short/stacked recoil spring just would not be as reliable, even with the hefty recoil of IVI ball. I also suspected the much longer 17 mags might also be contributing to the reliability issues, as they rock back and forth quite a bit in the 26 frame.


SO,
I decided the G19 was the way to go. I recently got a nice tight 3rd Gen G19 from Dlask, and it is just right. Fits my hand perfectly, and the slightly longer single recoil spring should [ in theory ] be a bit more reliable than that shorty recoil spring on the G26.

However, I always wanted a 17 slide with a 19 frame too.
But of course this just won't work out properly
[ the 17/19 barrel/frame fit indexes differently ]
SO,
Uunless you chop the 17 frame down to 19 size, you just can't get there from here.

Since I now have a 5" SS barrel in my 19, I guess I don't need to bother cutting down a 17 frame, as the only thing I'd gain was a 1/2" more sight radius [ which I could just as easily pick up by installing a different/extended rear sight ].

But, if I didn't already have a 19, I'd personally still be tempted to chop up a 17 frame to 19 grip size. And since there are some aftermarlet magazine adapters to make the 17 mags fit nicely into a 19 frame, you would not really lose much if you wanted a full size frame occasionally.
[;{)
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Clobbersauras said:
How do you know you'll like it for life if you haven't bought it and tested it? I've been through so many guns in the last ten years it makes my head spin. I'm finally getting my collection to where it I know I'll use evrything and I'll like it. But I had to go through a LOT of guns before I knew what I wanted,needed,and could shoot well. You must have special powers that I have yet to aquire...

Now to find my perfect bolt gun, I've only been through five so far and am still looking ;)
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You're right. It is tough to make a decision based on literature and word of mouth alone. First you need to decide what you want out of your firearms. Rather, what are your requirements. From there the choices are dictated by price, and personal preference . The ability to shoot well rests with the operator not the equipment. Some firearms seem to be "easier" to learn or operate when compared to others.

Even so, there are times when you simply don't like or enjoy what you purchased. If this is the case, sell it. However, don't make a purchase based on the potential "resale value" of the product. Second guessing your choices or selecting your kit based on "resale value" and not your needs/requirements will get you nowhere. Stop worrying about the money. Once its spent consider it gone forever. Used firearms are not worth retail value. Anyone who pays retail for a used firearm is foolish; with exceptions. Irreplaceable or unique firearms(specific serial numbers or manufacturers) can and do increase in replacement value. For some the replacement value of such firearms is equal to or less than their PERSONAL value of the firearm. Personal value is something only you can determine. How someone can justify their personal value on a used firearm, with that of retail pricing is beyond me. Especially when it comes to production firearms.

Why would someone pay retail or close to retail for a USED firearm??? A pistol being offered for $50 less than retail(plus shipping) is no bargain. Even if such an offer was a bargain you are still losing money. Get used to it. Obviously we all like to lose as little as possible on gear we don't enjoy and are selling. The reality is, you're going to take a loss and sometimes that loss is significant.

TDC
 
Lazerus2000 said:
m here.

Since I now have a 5" SS barrel in my 19, I guess I don't need to bother cutting down a 17 frame, as the only thing I'd gain was a 1/2" more sight radius [ which I could just as easily pick up by installing a different/extended rear sight ].

[;{)
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Depending on your intended use(competitions such as IPSC, IDPA or multi gun) the 1/2 inch increase in sight radius won't make a difference. After firing two G26 pistols owned by two separate friends, I do not notice any difference in inherent accuracy. My shots go where I aim with either the G26 or G17.

TDC
 
thanks to all for your input. It is too bad that there isn't someone qualified in canada to do the modifications, at least i haven't found any, and it's not cost effective to send down to the states.

i find it is the guns i want to keep, and not worry about resell value, that i would want to do some minor modifications or add on, to make it my own, and keep as part of the "permanent collections". the ones i might sell or trade later, i leave as stock.

my interest comes from having a colt officer's frame mated to a commander slide, still restricted and works well. one of the members is selling a para ccw lda in the same config.

i wear size small gloves, and note that the bottom half inch of the glock 22 is not needed for me, and the open half circles on the front and back of the bottom of the frame is redundant (anyone plugging that up on their full size glocks, seems to serve sole purpose of giving space for thumb and forefinger for manually pulling out the mag, and not needed with drop free mags)

the g26 grip size, without the mag extension, would be too extreme for even my hand size, i think.

i was thinking of finding a way to trim it down, with the back strap sticking down just enough to go flush with the bottom of the mag plate. (from the u.s. site pictures), and at the same time, get rid of the many sharp edges all around the frame bottom (bring out the dremel!)

what G17 posted has made me think twice. did the cutting instrument slip, or wrong measurement, or did the polymer crack or split under cutting stress?

hey G17, your comment reminded me of an old saying. what is the definition of a "learning experience" ? It's when you leave a situation with nothing else to show for it, and say "at least it was a learning experience". so i am appreciative to learn from your insight sharing of that frame cutting experience. best regards to all.
 
TDC said:
You're right. It is tough to make a decision based on literature and word of mouth alone. First you need to decide what you want out of your firearms. Rather, what are your requirements. From there the choices are dictated by price, and personal preference . The ability to shoot well rests with the operator not the equipment. Some firearms seem to be "easier" to learn or operate when compared to others.

Even so, there are times when you simply don't like or enjoy what you purchased. If this is the case, sell it. However, don't make a purchase based on the potential "resale value" of the product. Second guessing your choices or selecting your kit based on "resale value" and not your needs/requirements will get you nowhere. Stop worrying about the money. Once its spent consider it gone forever. Used firearms are not worth retail value. Anyone who pays retail for a used firearm is foolish; with exceptions. Irreplaceable or unique firearms(specific serial numbers or manufacturers) can and do increase in replacement value. For some the replacement value of such firearms is equal to or less than their PERSONAL value of the firearm. Personal value is something only you can determine. How someone can justify their personal value on a used firearm, with that of retail pricing is beyond me. Especially when it comes to production firearms.

Why would someone pay retail or close to retail for a USED firearm??? A pistol being offered for $50 less than retail(plus shipping) is no bargain. Even if such an offer was a bargain you are still losing money. Get used to it. Obviously we all like to lose as little as possible on gear we don't enjoy and are selling. The reality is, you're going to take a loss and sometimes that loss is significant.

TDC
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Yeah - I agree the EE is full of people who think that saving the shipping and taxes is a deal;)
 
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