Glock 'problems'... two questions for you Glock experts!!

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Hey, all

Two minor problems with two Glocks I've recently picked up that I'm wondering if anyone can answer for me, before I take 'em to the range and 'kaboom' myself :p :

1/ Problem #1 FIXED, thanks Zulu :)

2/ 10mm G29; picked it up recently with a Storm Lake restricted barrel. On function-testing it, noticed that the slide doesn't want to pull to the rear when the gun is 'cocked', so (and I haven't had it to the range yet) if you had a round in the chamber, you wouldn't be able to manually cycle the slide to eject the round. You can cycle the slide if you push the trigger back slightly, without depressing the trigger safety, but I know this isn't normal. Is this just a sign that the barrel isn't fitted properly to the gun? I know some fitting of these barrels can be required, and apparently had been done, but I'm thinking further fitting may be required... I'll take it to Hunters if need be...

thanks in advance, to any of you Glock experts out there!

take care
Rog
 
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Need some more info for question two: Does the slide rack smoothly with no round? if so I don't think you need any fitting of the barrel. If you are using reloads, do they drop in and out of the barrel (by itself) freely? If not that could be part of your prob. Pull the barrel out drop a cartridge in and let us know.
 
G29

When not initially cocked (ie when the trigger's 'pulled'), the slide racks smoothly with or without a round; it's when the gun is cocked (ie when the trigger's in the forward position) that you're sometimes unable to rack the slide...

Rounds fit fine into the chamber and drop out freely...

canuckgunny said:
Need some more info for question two: Does the slide rack smoothly with no round? if so I don't think you need any fitting of the barrel. If you are using reloads, do they drop in and out of the barrel (by itself) freely? If not that could be part of your prob. Pull the barrel out drop a cartridge in and let us know.
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Sounds fishy.....

1. Does the barrel lock fully engage?
2. Is there any bent parts... i.e. trigger bar and firing pin safety?
3. Does the firing pin block move freely?
4. Does the firing pin move back and forth freely and is it stopped by the firing pin block?

Things to check...
 
I have had this exact problem. What worked for me on my glock 30 with storm lake is to make the circumference of the rear end of the recoil guide rod smaller until it cycles properly. I have two rods one unmodified and one modified. As soon as I through back in the unmodified the slide locks. It is because of the storm lake barrel being oversized where the rear of the recoil guide rod assembly fits.
 
Glocks are awesome!

LOL Glocks are wonderful; these are the first problems I've ever had with a Glock, and I've owned lots of 'em :p I was quite shocked to find a function problem! I blame the Storm Lake barrel, not the Glock-supplied parts (heaven forbid that a factory Glock part be to blame!!!)

Ponts, thanks for the advice, I'll see if it works

John Sukey said:
This must be a joke! With all the folks saying how wonderful the glock is, it just can't be true!:rolleyes:
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While on the subject of Glock problems, I continue to have issues with FTE-type jams as well as stovepipes, largely with my handloads (of varying bullet sizes/shapes and powder charges) but also with some factory loads. It's a 1st generation Glock 17. Think it could be magazine or extractor related rather than my handloads (which work fine in my other 9mm's).
 
pontcanna said:
While on the subject of Glock problems, I continue to have issues with FTE-type jams as well as stovepipes, largely with my handloads (of varying bullet sizes/shapes and powder charges) but also with some factory loads. It's a 1st generation Glock 17. Think it could be magazine or extractor related rather than my handloads (which work fine in my other 9mm's).
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you need more taper-crimp.
 
Glocks have no problems....one had a problem: my 40 caliber Glock 23 had a real nice kB when the unsupported butt end of the casing burn through with Georgia Arms 180gr +p new ammunition. The clip shot down through my legs (luckily in front of the happy spectator) and my three fingers were double their normal size for quite a while. Still have the burned brass.
 
ponts said:
I have had this exact problem. What worked for me on my glock 30 with storm lake is to make the circumference of the rear end of the recoil guide rod smaller until it cycles properly. I have two rods one unmodified and one modified. As soon as I through back in the unmodified the slide locks. It is because of the storm lake barrel being oversized where the rear of the recoil guide rod assembly fits.
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I just got off the phone with Storm Lake. They returned my call within 3 minutes. They suggested two things to me without hesitation: 1) use a Dremel tool to reduce the diameter of the Glock supplied recoil spring assembly until it fits the depression in their barrel that is intented to take same; (2) purchase a stainless steel or tungsten guide rod for my recoil spring assembly... or just purchase a whole new recoild spring assembly with steel guide rod (or tungsten steel) which would probably fit better. I was puzzled but left it at that. It is a small chore to grind down the back end of the Glock supplied recoild spring assembly guide rod... after all it is only tin, right?

Then after thinking about this for a while I started to get curious. As I looked around all of the suppliers I noted that they all had guide rod assemblies of steel or tungsten for various Glock models... but NOT FOR THE 26 or the 30! One even went so far as to list them and state "NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE". I was puzzled.

Since I own a half dozen Glocks I waited until I got home and tried the plastic guide rod assemblies from my older Glocks in my G26. Perfect fit into the 'divot' or depression in the Storm Lake Barrel. I then tried the GLOCK SUPPLIED guide rod assembly from my G26 in my older G17 and found out it was too big for the depression and did not sit right. I suspect taking it to the range would result in constant jams, etc. as I experienced last weekend.

I am about to pull out a current brand new in the box Glock 22 and do the same experiment to see exactly what the story is with these two parts.

My suspicion is that Glock has made a change in their specifications and Storm Lake has not modified their barrels to meet the change yet.

True, it is a small problem, but for $1,000+ one really should not be grinding things down.

Anyone else having any issues with this type of problem? This is unacceptable and I am only happy that the recoil spring assembly chose to pop out of place in transit to me from my vendor and NOT in the midst of a firefight. That would likely have cost me my life. And isn't that what carrying for self defense is all about? Geez. C'mon guys!

I bring this to everyone's attention, especially those who are or will be carrying in Canada with an ATC (sic) or stateside with a CFP so that you are not betting your life on a piece of kit that is not going to do the job for you. I am also making a promise to get to the bottom of this and will continue to report on the problem as I am able.

Frankly, this scares the crap out of me. Jeez. And it ticks me off. Royally.

Torontogunguy
 
G29

Torontogunguy, thanks for your research into this... when I get back to town, I'll check my G29 against my G20, and see if the recoil spring assembly from the G20 fits the depression in the G29's barrel better... I suspect you're 100% correct in the supposition that this whole problem is due to a change in Glock specs not matched by Storm Lake...

interesting!

Rog
 
I have been speaking all day with Questar and Storm Lake. Boy, you want to talk about 110% customer service? These guys wrote the book! I am truly impressed.

The bottom line. Yes, Glock did modify their G19/26/30 with new recoil spring assemblies and the disk on the barrel end of the assembly is metal and larger, measured at .498" I believe... or .5" is likely the spec.

Herein lies the problem and the reason that you can't find barrels and springs from the major suppliers right now. Things are all messed up. Good reason to deal with Questar on compact/sub compact Glocks. They are on top of it. Mine just happened to be one of the first and probably slipped through the cracks unbeknownst to anyone.

Storm Lake's older barrels (2 weeks old?) and old stock have a groove cut in them for the OLD diameter Glock recoil spring assembly of .41". Now... you get a NEW Glock with an older replacement barrel from ANY of the manufacturers and you have a small issue. The new recoil spring assembly of .5" diameter simply does not properly fit in the groove in the barrel, cut for .41" dia. Simple as that. The new Storm Lake barrels coming in now are the right size groove for the new Glock recoil spring assemblies and problem is solved. And although they are not obliged to, Questar is working with me to resolve the problem, giving me 110% customer service. Ditto Storm Lake. I am impressed... and it takes a lot to impress an old salt like me.

If you are thoroughly confused now, I don't blame you. Suffice it to say, you need to ensure that your barrel groove and your recoild spring assembly match in diameter. Period. One resolution is to grind down the (now) metal disk at the end of the assembly to match the groove. Takes two minutes with a dremel or grinder. Another solution, and a better one recommended to me this morning by Storm Lake, is to simply replace the recoild spring assembly with one of the correct diameter and while you are at it... get rid of the plastic and get SS or tungsten steel full length guide rod for superior performance. That's next on my list of to do's. In the meantime, there is a mish-mash of different diameters out there and you need to be careful. Storm Lake is now producing ported barrels with the new diameter groove and that is the route that I have chosen for now. Questar is your vendor of choice at the moment IMHO as they will ensure everything matches and will give you 110% C/S. I am happy happy.

I am sure there are other solid suppliers out there who can meet your needs, I am just saying I am extremely happy with Questar and Storm Lake. And besides, I like the Storm Lake Barrels. I might prefer the Bar Sto barrels but they are at least 16 weeks lead time and I believe something like twice the price for what? All of my research indicates Storm Lake is as good as anything on the market today. And their customer service (did I already say this?) is 110% which, having been a very successful businessman for 30 years, means a lot to me. To have a call returned live in under three minutes means a lot. To have a response from the distributor not once but ALL DAY LONG to resolve issues and explain things to me at great cost to themselves in time and money means a lot to me.

Fellows, I have no association with either of these firms, and in fact I have never purchased anything directly from them including this Glock 26! yet they drop what they are doing to help me out and they have, without any doubt, made a customer of me for life. A loyal customer and an advocate unless someone comes along and proves me wrong.

I apologize if I have not been clear on the problem. Just to reiterate. Glock has changed the G19/26/30 recoil spring assembly. They are no longer all plastic and have a metal button on the barrel end that sits in a groove in the barrel. It is imperative that this be a good fit or, because it is a high stress point, you are going to get binding and jamming. period. The old diameter groove in the barrel and the old diameter button at the barrel end of the recoil spring assembly was .41" approx. The new diameter of the groove in the barrel and the next diameter of the button on the barrel end of the recoil spring assembly is about .5". Any mismatch and you have a big problem.

Your choice for resolution is:
(a) grind down the metal button on the new Glock recoil spring assembly to fit the old .41" dia groove on aftermarket barrels. (Easy & it works)
(b) wait until the suppliers come up with new barrels with the groove of .5" to match the new .5" button on the recoil spring assembly (Storm Lake is now delivering... first they are delivering the ported barrels and that is what I did ... I went with a ported barrel).
(c) Take your new Glock with the .5" grooved barrel or your .41" grooved barrel and find an appropriate matching steel full length guide rod assembly. Better performance, etc. And that's my next move once I can find one. Right now it looks like the manufacturers have withdrawn them all for fear of a mismatch, a failure/jam in a mission critical application and a lawsuit as a result. I am going to try my best to find one... but it does not look like it will be easy. Diameters are not specified.

Hope that covers it. Buy from a reputable dealer and they will ensure that the problem is addressed before the gun reaches you. It will not be a problem forever. But it IS most definitely a problem now, especially if you are depending on the carry piece in life/death situations. Period.

I take no responsibility for the information contained herein - it represents the best information that I have had available and the reader is warned to verify all information for themselves and have their gun inspected by a licensed and qualified gunsmith prior to use. Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware.

To my new friends at Questar and Storm Lake. You have a customer for life. And an advocate. And despite your offer to upgrade me to a ported barrel for my troubles... I choose to pay for the upgrade so that I am able to make these statements with total impunity and the confidence that comes from knowing that my opinion is NOT being swayed by financial motivations.
 
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