Good scope for long range hunting rifle

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Hi guys, okay so I've made a thread in the precision rifles section and now I'm here asking your opinion on the a scope that would be good for the gun I've picked out the remington 700 5r. I'm currently considering the vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. I'm curious as to what you guys would suggest for around a thousand dollars give or take a couple hundred.
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Lewiss
 
the conquest is a 20 mm tube, not a true zeiss, want a 30 mm tube.Also i'm wanting turrets.

A 20mm tube on a Zeiss that isn't a Zeiss is definitely a unique scope. I've certainly never heard of one of those before...

Seriously though, why exactly do you want the 30mm tube, is it necessary? I just want to know why you feel it's an important feature to have.
 
the zeiss lines that are truly german made have thirty millimeter tubes. I want a bigger tube since I get more light, a wider field of view. If i have a 50 mil objective and a 20 mm tube, I won't get as much light as a 50 mil objective and a 30mm tube. The diavari line is a true zeiss, the conquest was made for the north american market.
 
the zeiss lines that are truly german made have thirty millimeter tubes. I want a bigger tube since I get more light, a wider field of view. If i have a 50 mil objective and a 20 mm tube, I won't get as much light as a 50 mil objective and a 30mm tube. The diavari line is a true zeiss, the conquest was made for the north american market.

You really need to do some research before posting more false claims. The Conquest uses a 1" tube which is nowhere near 20mm. As for a 30 mm tube transmitting more light, that is total B.S., a larger tube allows for more internal adjustment, but it does not increase the light transmission. As for field of view, I suggest that you compare the 3-9x50 Conquest with 1" tube, with the 3-12x56 Diavari with a 30mm tube. With both scopes set at 3x, they both share the exact same 37.5 ft field of view. The larger diameter tube and larger objective lens of the Diavari do not result in a larger field of view.
 
you really need to do some research before posting more false claims. The conquest uses a 1" tube which is nowhere near 20mm. As for a 30 mm tube transmitting more light, that is total b.s., a larger tube allows for more internal adjustment, but it does not increase the light transmission. As for field of view, i suggest that you compare the 3-9x50 conquest with 1" tube, with the 3-12x56 diavari with a 30mm tube. With both scopes set at 3x, they both share the exact same 37.5 ft field of view. The larger diameter tube and larger objective lens of the diavari do not result in a larger field of view.

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Not to mention you can get turrets in a Conquest.
But get whatever makes you happy - a Hensoldt in a 34mm tube if that's what cranks your prop.
 
What a guy wants to buy, and what a guy want to spend are sometimes two completely different things ;)

It seems like the OP wants a March or S&B at Conquest prices...

Of course, the PST is an excellent choice within that price range, but it's not a S&B, March, Hensoldt, or Premier...
 
I'm sorry for having made these claims, 1 inch isn't 20 mm it's 25.4 mm. That is my fault and I take complete blame for that. Could you all explain to me why I wouldn't want a 30 mm tube then? Why are hensoldt's true zeiss' ?
 
What a guy wants to buy, and what a guy want to spend are sometimes two completely different things ;)

It seems like the OP wants a March or S&B at Conquest prices...

Of course, the PST is an excellent choice within that price range, but it's not a S&B, March, Hensoldt, or Premier...

You got that right.

I'm sorry for having made these claims, 1 inch isn't 20 mm it's 25.4 mm. That is my fault and I take complete blame for that. Could you all explain to me why I wouldn't want a 30 mm tube then? Why are hensoldt's true zeiss' ?

The gentlemen in their posts above pretty much nailed it. Light transmission isn't a reason to go to a bigger tube, but elevation adjustment can be. Even so, a holdover reticle or a canted rail can give you the needed adjustment depending on whether you're after pinpoint accuracy or just hits on game.

I used a fixed 10x Ultra M3 for years & I don't believe anything downrange knew it was not a German made scope.

I'd start with something that has good resale value until you decide what you use best.

The Conquest (& the higher end Premier) is a German designed, US built scope. It's great bang for the buck with a great choice of reticles.
 
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At around the $1,000 mark your best options are the following:

Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 brx/brh:
reg price $1,559 on promo for $1,099

Swarovsk Z3 4-12x50 ballistic turret-plex:
reg price $1,599 on promo for $1,155

Conquest 4.5-14x44 with rapid-z:
reg price $1,029 on promo for $989

Conquest 4.5-14x50 with rapid-z:
reg price $1,079 on promo for $1,029

Conquest 6.5-20x50 with rapid-z:
reg price $1,299 on promo for $1,199

On the Conquest rapid-z reticles, the reticle is dependent upon your caliber (which I don't believe you've stated). The Conquest scopes are also available with target turrets.

At your price range, the best scope above is the Z3 4-12x50 by a very wide margin: with the promo pricing you are getting a $1,500+ scope for just over $1,000.

At the $1,500+ mark, you can get something like a Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44 or Z5 5-25x52, a Nightforce benchrest model in 8-32 or 12-42 or an NXS 3-15.

At $1,800 you can get into an NXS 5.5-22 without zero-stop or $2,000 to get into an NXS 5.5-22 with zero-stop or NXS 8-32/12-42 without zero-stop.

Beyond that, you are getting into the Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Diavari/Hensoldt, Schmidt Bender or Premier lines, which will run you from $2,500 to $4,000 depending on the model and options.

I sell all of the above at the hottest prices in Canada by the way.
 
Hi guys, okay so I've made a thread in the precision rifles section and now I'm here asking your opinion on the a scope that would be good for the gun I've picked out the remington 700 5r. I'm currently considering the vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. I'm curious as to what you guys would suggest for around a thousand dollars give or take a couple hundred.
Thanks
Lewiss


I have a Rem 700 5R in 308 like yours with a Swarovski Z5 5-25x52 with the ballistic turrets.
Right now it's set up to shoot 150 gr. Barnes TTSX out to 600 yards and I've done so at my home range with steel gongs at 400, 500 and 600 yards. This gun is used for informal targets and what I consider long range hunting, up to 600 at the most. I went with a Nightforce 20 MOA one piece rail and Leupold PRW mounts.

I like the scope very much, but I think there are better choices if you're planning on long range shooting of 1000 yards or so. The ballistic turrets are aimed more at hunting,IMO, which suits me fine. I'm not really a fan of the graduated reticles as they're dependent on magnification and I don't want to fiddle with papers and drop charts while hunting, so that negates the target turret system. The other option is to get a custom dial, but it's tailored to a specific load.

Most manufacturers list the total range of MOA adjustments of individual scopes on their website. Some have to go to 34mm tubes to get more adjustment and some use internals out of their 1" tube scopes in a 30mm tube to gain range.

My advice would be to check the individual specs as each manufacturer is different and decide what your primary use of the scope will be. The larger objective will greatly increase perceived light gathering at higher power settings, but I don't think it's necessary until you get to 12x and higher.
 
my first use for it will be to hunt with it. I'll do target shooting but very minimally, I just don't want to get in the habit of buying something different. I'd rather just buy one scope that fits my needs properly and be done with it. I don't want to realize later on that I should have bought something else.
 
my first use for it will be to hunt with it. I'll do target shooting but very minimally, I just don't want to get in the habit of buying something different. I'd rather just buy one scope that fits my needs properly and be done with it. I don't want to realize later on that I should have bought something else.
The title of your post is Good scope for long range hunting. If you are going to be shooting at game at long range you better be doing a lot of target shooting. If you are target shooting "minimally" you will not be getting the practice and experience you need to be "long range hunting".
 
i see where your coming from, underthegun, but my first use will be for hunting.

A relevant point I missed in my previous post: Swarovski will soon produce custom turrets for the bt scopes. Where the Swarovski ballistic calculator used to calibrate the bt is currently limited to under 600 yards, the custom turrets are being used to shoot to 1,000+ yards (depending on the caliber and configuration).
 
Not to hijack the thread, how in your opinion would this Swarovski compare to the Rapid Z Conquest line??


A relevant point I missed in my previous post: Swarovski will soon produce custom turrets for the bt scopes. Where the Swarovski ballistic calculator used to calibrate the bt is currently limited to under 600 yards, the custom turrets are being used to shoot to 1,000+ yards (depending on the caliber and configuration).
 
Not to hijack the thread, how in your opinion would this Swarovski compare to the Rapid Z Conquest line??

In terms of optical performance, design, weight and overall fit and finish, the Z3 trumps the Conquest line.

As a recent example, an instore customer was interested in purchasing a Conquest 3-9x50 as he was desirious of a larger objective size for improved low-light performance. Noting the attractive sticker price of the Z3 scopes, he asked how the 42mm objective of the Z3 compared to the 50mm objective of the Conquest, in terms of brightness. I told him to take them outside and have a look. Although over $300 more, he took the Z3 without hesitation, noting that the Z3 was brighter, sharper, yet lighter and with a lower profile.

And this should be no suprise given that the price of a base Z3 model is normally $1,400 while a base Conquest model is priced at around $500. When you consider that there is nothing differentiating a 3-9x40 Conquest ($499) from a 6.5-20x50 Conquest ($1,299) in terms of the quality of the optics system, the differentiation between the Z3 and Conquest lines should really come into focus.

What the Conquest line offers that the Z3 line does not are mag ranges above 12 power, and the rapid-z system, which is superior to the Swaro brx/brh system (in my opinion).

Now, when you step into a Z3 4-12x50 with the ballistic turret, you have a brighter, sharper, lighter, scope with a higher quality fit and finish that brings you the best user configurable turret system on the market...at under $1,200.
 
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