Good stock finish for water resistance?

H Wally

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Looking for either a home recipe or commercial solution to sealing a wood stock - took an old rifle out hunting yesterday and found the stock washed out almost completely after 8 hours of carry. It's a nice firearm so I don't want to slather it in spar varnish or something similarly crass but functional.

I've considered a heavy soak in linseed or tung oil, but suspect they'll leach out with use. Also read on using acraglass as a sealant but don't know much about it in this role. Any input would be much appreciated as I'm quite fond of the rifle but not terribly thrilled by how easily the finish wore over a single day.
 
The linseed oil will always be tacky and can get "right gloopy" if it gets wet.

If you do want to go the linseed route, at least go with Tru-Oil (Birchwood Casey) - it's linseed with dryers and some proprietary additive so that it "dries". This does give a "somewhat" glossy finish that many don't like.

No experience with Tung Oil.

There is dozens of polyurethanes on the market in matte, semi-gloss, and gloss finishes from makers like Varathane, Minwax etc.

These would give you maximum (protection) against water, moisture etc and you certainly could find one that would give you the level of finish that you want.
 
I use tung oil, 10 - 16 coats on the outside of the stock and 4 - 8 coats on the inletting/end of butt stock. It'll give you an almost glass like finish when properly dried. I usually let them sit and cure for a good 4 weeks.
 
Flecto Varathane Number 66 OIL Finish. Easy to use, cheap, waterproof exterior finish.

There's no doubt that this is tough stuff and highly water resistant. But HWally is looking for something that doesn't give the stocks that "dipped in plastic" sort of look. Now sure, a thin coat can be rubbed on but I'm not sure that a rubbed on/rubbed off treatment will be as durable and as water proof. And the other option of the semi gloss being brushed on avoids the shiny look but it still has the "dipped in plastic" look.

HWally, from the description of the issues with the wood it sounds like it came to you with an oil finish. So if you are looking to keep that sort of look and feel then your answer is more oil. But use the right stuff.

I would say that your best option is a small can of the Polymerized Tung Oil from Lee Valley. I use this on my cowboy action shot gun which sees a lot of wet winter use. It's worked just great and the water beads off like you see off the feathers on a duck.

Second best but still fairly decent would be boiled linseed oil from the paint store.

The typical Danish oil is a mix of some tung oil and some boiled linseed oil with some solvent to thin it out. It works well for the initial sealing coats and for soaking into and sealing the end grain of the stocks. But for the rubbing on idea of the regular feeding coats you're far better off with one of the straight oils with no solvent in it.

BUT! ! ! ! An oil finish is always a work in progress. Any oil finish used outdoors needs to be maintained with a rubbed on then buffed off top coat at least once a year. And maybe two or three times depending on the amount of use and conditions. I tend to re-coat my shotgun and a couple of handgun grips about once every 6 to 8 months when I notice that the water does not bead off any longer. The nature of this is when fresh the water literally forms drops that run off. As it ages the water forms into sheets that run off with "dry" areas in between the various patches of sheeted water. Then when in need of a freshening up coat of oil you'll find that the water just wets the whole surface and stays on the wood. You'll want to try to catch it before that occurs.

If this is a seasonal hunting rifle the trick would be to apply a small dab of oil to a small wad of cotton cloth such as a shot gun cleaning patch and rub it over the stocks firmly to to point where you see the finish become clear and shiny again. Do this a couple of weeks before you go hunting to give it enough time to be sure it cures to a good hard film. If you can set it out on a warm sunny summer's day the PTO or BLO will kick off in an afternoon. The warmth and amount of UV light makes a big difference in the cure of the oil.

Note that I keep saying "cure". The finishing oils being discussed here don't actually dry like paint does. There's no solvents and it's not a plastic that is dissolved into such solvents. Instead it reacts with the oxygen in the air to polymerize from a liquid to a solid film. Which is why I keep saying "cure" instead of "dry".

A key factor is to be sure that you seal off any end grain. On rifles with one piece stocks you'll find end grain under the recoil pad and inside the action inletting area. Be sure that any end grain gets a good measure of any finish you're using. If there's nothing on it at the moment then Danish oil will penetrate deeper than the more viscous PTO from Lee Valley. Be patient since the end grain soaks up a lot of product and that means longer drying and/or curing times. The clue is the odor it has. If it smells like paint thinner it's still drying. If it doesn't smell like paint thinner in the case of pure oil take note of the odor. When this changes by a marked amount then it's kicked off and is good for use or re-coating depending on the condition of the wood.

If it's really bad I'd flood on a fairly wet coat and let the PTO or BLO soak in for a good few minutes. Then buff off the excess with a disposable rag or paper towels. Buff it off hard. You only want to leave what is IN the wood, not on it. If it's really bad it may pay to use the solvent thinned Danish oil for the first coat so it soaks in well. Apply and keep it wet for about two or three minutes then buff off the excess. After that use PTO or BLO for subsequent coatings and periodic feeding coats.

With the rags or paper towels don't wad them up and put them in the trash. The oil gives off a lot of heat as it cures in contact with the air and the rages or paper can burst into flame far too easily. I've seen it happen. Just lay the rags or paper out where it can cure off. When the oil is crusty after a few days it's safely inert and you can toss the stuff in the regular trash. I like to put this sort of stuff outside where it's dry but keeps the smell out of the house. It's bad enough with the guns inside.
 
second on the tung oil. But I would use the pure variety also available from Lee Valley. The polymerized will also include china drier and possibly a touch of varnish.
Pure oil takes time....it is a passion but will completely fill the pores of the wood making them resistant to water. It takes a week or more for a coat to fully cure at room temperature. So you need patience. But the finish is undeniable and matte (for which I believe you are looking for as a hunting rifle). You can first speed up the sealing process by cutting the oil with mineral spirits (50/50) and use the old saying, a pure coat a day for a week (to seal then leave a week or more). Then apply a coat a week for a month, then monthly as you see fit or achieve the desirable look you are willing to accept. You will rub off any excess after each day or so and then let cure. A very good winter project indeed. Note this will fragrance your house so you may want to have a heated shed or garage to keep the family happy.
Elky....
 
I'm actually leaning towards a varathane finish just from the durability standpoint, but oil's what I'm used to, just find it washes out pretty easily.

All this said, I'm wondering why no one vacuum chambers their stocks to get better oil or finish penetration. It's done with pen blanks, knife scales etc that're expected to resist water or contaminant penetrations. On a large stock it would increase weight considerably, and using a resin might result in warping on a finished stock, but worth experimenting with.



 
I've used spar vanish on grips. Build coats, and sand in between, when it's level wet sand to a nice smooth flat finish. Buff up with some auto rubbing compound and you end up nice semi gloss finish tough as nails.
 
Flecto Varathane Number 66 OIL Finish...

It can be finished to look like an oil finish... it does not have to be built up thick and polished.
 
50/50 boiled linseed oil and turpentine.First coat drench the stock let it sit for 30 minutes and then rub off the excess with a cotton cloth. Next day a light coat and polish it off after 10 minutes,repeat everyday until you are happy with the results. Be careful with the cloths as you can have spontaneous combustion occur if left sitting. It's all I use or ever will on a nice piece of wood.
 
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Guntech - I like the sound of the Number 66 - I've called all the local stores I can think of and no one stocks the Flecto Varathane Number 66. Reading online it sounds like it's either discontinued or seldom stocked due to short shelf life. Is there a main Canadian distributor? Also tracked Flecto down to Rustoleum, who seems to have bought them out, but they aren't responding to emails and their customer service recommended I email said department that hasn't responded.

Have come across this thread with some home brew alternatives to Number 66, but that's going up a whole new creek, so preferably I'll find something commercial to use.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2085052/1
 
I have used this finish for years, it looks great, seals the wood, and is easily repairable. Spar varnish, double boiled linseed oil, mineral spirits or turps, and japan dryer. When combined in different ratios you get different finishes but I'd suggest this for your stock:

50% spar varnish, 20% dbl boiled linseed oil, 30%mineral spirits, and a teaspoon of japan dryer per 750 ml of finish. Apply with a rag, let soak in then wipe off with a clean rag. Wait 10 minutes then wipe with another clean rag. Build as yo see fit but I'd say three to five applications until you get the finish that you're after.

This finish will look like fine furniture but be super tough.
 
I have done a nice finish with tru-oil. Apply 6 coats or so,let dry and sand with 600 grit. Not to wood level but enough to smoothen it out.Nother 6 coats or so and sand again. Continue till the grain is filled. Then a final sanding and take a piece of oh say.. t-shirt material, or similar and fold it into a small square. Dip a corner in tru-oil and rub it on the stock. 2 coats usually works good. Gives it just a nice dull sheen and the grain is filled.Pretty easy to touch up also.
 
Guntech - I like the sound of the Number 66 - I've called all the local stores I can think of and no one stocks the Flecto Varathane Number 66. Reading online it sounds like it's either discontinued or seldom stocked due to short shelf life. Is there a main Canadian distributor? Also tracked Flecto down to Rustoleum, who seems to have bought them out, but they aren't responding to emails and their customer service recommended I email said department that hasn't responded.

Have come across this thread with some home brew alternatives to Number 66, but that's going up a whole new creek, so preferably I'll find something commercial to use.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2085052/1

I bought my last tin of 66 at Windsor Plywood.
 
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