Got a call from Canadian Tire today

This is a concern - CT should not be keeping information - this is a registry and the Justice Minister has asked stores to stop keeping such records.

I had a buddy purchase 25 SVTs from a local CT (group purchase for a discount). On his way home the RCMP phoned him asking why he needed so many rifles (another customer complained to the RCMP 'Public Safety Concern' and CT just handed over his personal info without warrant or proper documentation).

The RCMP were pretty good about it and noticed he had Collectors Status and were not that concerned and the complaint was closed within a 5 minute phone call. This friend also had a good relationship with the Firearms Manager at that CT (it was a High School student 'part timer' that gave the information - probably intimidated by the police) so the Manager and my friend had a polite conversation the next day stating that if this happened again that a complaint would be made regarding the release of personal information.

This is a huge 'grey' area - as stores are still expected to prove to the CFO/RCMP that firearms sold out of inventroy went to a valid PAL holder. How does this happen without some paper work.

Stores also like a record for warranty and proof of purchase disputes/cases. If a firearm is truly 'unsafe' or possibly 'unsafe' it would be nice if a customer could be informed - no?
 
relic38 said:
This has been superseded with federal regulations in the Explosives act. Recording a PAL number can substitute for full contact details. It also requires a two year record keeping limit. Not all stores have updated (some CTs have some haven't, the Walmart near me has), but I tell them this has changed and they need to get new forms.
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Does that mean all provinces are not on the same page for ammo sales?
 
bnzmauser said:
I had a buddy purchase 25 SVTs from a local CT (group purchase for a discount). On his way home the RCMP phoned him asking why he needed so many rifles (another customer complained to the RCMP 'Public Safety Concern' and CT just handed over his personal info without warrant or proper documentation).
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Wow, talk about a HUGE privacy breach.
 
bnzmauser said:
This is a concern - CT should not be keeping information - this is a registry and the Justice Minister has asked stores to stop keeping such records.

I had a buddy purchase 25 SVTs from a local CT (group purchase for a discount). On his way home the RCMP phoned him asking why he needed so many rifles (another customer complained to the RCMP 'Public Safety Concern' and CT just handed over his personal info without warrant or proper documentation).

The RCMP were pretty good about it and noticed he had Collectors Status and were not that concerned and the complaint was closed within a 5 minute phone call. This friend also had a good relationship with the Firearms Manager at that CT (it was a High School student 'part timer' that gave the information - probably intimidated by the police) so the Manager and my friend had a polite conversation the next day stating that if this happened again that a complaint would be made regarding the release of personal information.

This is a huge 'grey' area - as stores are still expected to prove to the CFO/RCMP that firearms sold out of inventroy went to a valid PAL holder. How does this happen without some paper work.

Stores also like a record for warranty and proof of purchase disputes/cases. If a firearm is truly 'unsafe' or possibly 'unsafe' it would be nice if a customer could be informed - no?
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That's F ucked up, another reason I'm glad I don't buy firearms from Cambodian tire. I'll support my local LGS, who by the way only looks at my pal and hands over my gear.
 
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I think we have to stop being so paranoid.

First things first, I think the OP has to give us more info to determine if he gave any personal info, ie let them scan the PAL, use CT credit card or CT Money App.

If he did, then I just think it's good customer service, just like when I buy a baby seat or a car and there's a recall, I'm glad they would call me and inform me of a potential issue.

The only part I don't agree is bringing the gun to the rcmp. Perhaps it would've been better if it was "take your gun to your local CT pro shop and have it cleaned by our professional staff etc...." (not that I would.)
 
bnzmauser said:
This is a concern - CT should not be keeping information - this is a registry and the Justice Minister has asked stores to stop keeping such records.

I had a buddy purchase 25 SVTs from a local CT (group purchase for a discount). On his way home the RCMP phoned him asking why he needed so many rifles (another customer complained to the RCMP 'Public Safety Concern' and CT just handed over his personal info without warrant or proper documentation).

The RCMP were pretty good about it and noticed he had Collectors Status and were not that concerned and the complaint was closed within a 5 minute phone call. This friend also had a good relationship with the Firearms Manager at that CT (it was a High School student 'part timer' that gave the information - probably intimidated by the police) so the Manager and my friend had a polite conversation the next day stating that if this happened again that a complaint would be made regarding the release of personal information.

This is a huge 'grey' area - as stores are still expected to prove to the CFO/RCMP that firearms sold out of inventroy went to a valid PAL holder. How does this happen without some paper work.

Stores also like a record for warranty and proof of purchase disputes/cases. If a firearm is truly 'unsafe' or possibly 'unsafe' it would be nice if a customer could be informed - no?
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Yep,Yep
 
No one is required to turn their firearm over to the RCMP for inspection, regardless of what Canadian tire told you. There is a link in another thread in the Red Rifles section that shows the inspection procedure to be done. You can do it yourself. If no problem no need to worry.
 
My CT store keeps no information on firearms sales! They look at your PAL, hand it back, then sell you your new gun! No records whatsoever. Bought a Mosin from them just a while ago. Pretty impressed with them so far and they are getting some nice guns in to.
 
I'd be calling a lawyer and going after Canadian tire for violating my rights of privacy. They have no business maintaining a "registry" and that to me is a serious violation.
if this is true, I'd like to see a copy posted if it hasn't been already, and perhaps this should be forwarded to the NFA and the minister of public safety.

games are starting to be played with the firearms community and I suggest we all step up our game and report #### like this
 
I bought two rifles at an Ontario CT...
All they did was look at my PAL and take my money...

Why on earth would anyone give their phone #..?
 
relic38 said:
This has been superseded with federal regulations in the Explosives act. Recording a PAL number can substitute for full contact details. It also requires a two year record keeping limit. Not all stores have updated (some CTs have some haven't, the Walmart near me has), but I tell them this has changed and they need to get new forms.
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Not quite. The explosives act also states:

"Obligation to comply with other laws

29. Nothing in this Act relieves any person
(a) of the obligation to comply with the requirements of any Act of Parliament relating to explosives or components of explosives or the requirements of any licence law, or other law or by-law of any province or municipality, lawfully enacted in relation to explosives, especially requirements in relation to the acquisition, possession, storage, handling, sale, transportation or delivery of explosives or components of explosives; or"

So the taking of information is legal because it is a lawful act of the province. However, I believe the supreme court ruled that the Federal Government controls the firearm laws not the provinces (with Quebec Vs Canada). We just have to wait for the final decision. Someone could challenge the Ammunition Regulation act (depending on what happens and when it happens) in a Federal court as not enforceable because it is a provincial law.
 
crashcollins said:
My CT store keeps no information on firearms sales! They look at your PAL, hand it back, then sell you your new gun! No records whatsoever. Bought a Mosin from them just a while ago. Pretty impressed with them so far and they are getting some nice guns in to.
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^^This^^ I have bought 2 milsurps from the local CT (Georgetown). Just a look at my PAL - nothing recorded. Paid cash - no paper trail. How exactly are they going to be calling me??
 
Bought my SKS at an Ont. CT and was only asked to show my PAL for the purchase. They DO however record my info every time I buy ammo. Since then, I sold my SKS to some guy in a van down by the river, but he showed me his valid PAL, I just didnt bother to care what his name was and therefore dont remember it.
 
Why does anyone ever give out their real phone number? I never do. Always alter it by one or two numbers "oops!" must have made a mistake.

Cannon
 
crashcollins said:
My CT store keeps no information on firearms sales! They look at your PAL, hand it back, then sell you your new gun! No records whatsoever. Bought a Mosin from them just a while ago. Pretty impressed with them so far and they are getting some nice guns in to.
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The SKU of the firearm would need to be cleared from their inventory via a transaction record that shows the item as sold. If that transaction record is connected to a credit card, then this information could easily be used for product recall/alert. I'm pretty sure it happens all the time.

I bought some food items from costco once, and reading about a product recall in the news, a few days later costco shipped me in the mail a recall letter specifically telling me the date and time that I purchased the subject items, and included a coupon for a free additional item as well as the replacement. Its just good customer service, and they are covering their own A$$ at the same time.

Interestingly, Costco did not advise me to turn in the items to Health Canada for inspection/confiscation. Its funny how not all 'public safety' issues are treated the same.
 
45ACPKING said:
I'd be calling a lawyer and going after Canadian tire for violating my rights of privacy. They have no business maintaining a "registry" and that to me is a serious violation.
if this is true, I'd like to see a copy posted if it hasn't been already, and perhaps this should be forwarded to the NFA and the minister of public safety.

games are starting to be played with the firearms community and I suggest we all step up our game and report #### like this
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Unless there was a serial number for the particular firearm included in the letter from Canadian Tire, there is no registry, just a sales record. If you don't want to be identified in a sales record, pay cash.

People can complain about privacy all they want to. The information you are forced to submit to government is about 5% of the information you voluntarily submit to businesses or the internet.
 
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