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took the wife with me today, she had no interest in shooting until she took her first shot with the sks, then finished off the mag, then even shot the r700 30-06 a bunch of times. so now she seems like shes hooked and wants to do it more, which means i get to buy more guns and toys and shes gonna support the habit :D also i ended up shooting some good groups with the 700 once the scope was dialed in properly again. 100 yards i put 4 in the same holes and basically made it into a nice clover hole. tried my hand at 200 yards and ended up getting them pretty much dead on for elevation but they were hitting a few inches to the right. maybe even a bit more. 12x scope didnt see out that far so i made a new friend with a 308 savage who spotted for me. great gun too, the muzzle brake really made it a joy to shoot that thing. felt like shooting the sks for recoil. and to top it off, someone had a 50 out there. man the bullets whistle on this ##### as they go down range and what a bang it makes. tried to explain to the wife how big a 50 cal round is, she didnt believe me, then i showed her. haha great time. unfortunately no pics of todays shooting. also id like to add the crappy tire spotting scopes are complete and utter crap and i plan on finishing mine off with a 3 inch slug from my shotgun. 100 yards is iffy with them, 200 is a waste of time and i could eye ball 200 better than this piece of crap will. what a waste. i did however learn that id like to jump from my 12x to a 20x for the 200 yard stuff. its just no fun when you cant see what youre hitting out there. great day none the less :)
 
also to add, does anyone know why my groups at 200 were hitting far right and were dead on at 100? ive managed to find a body position that works for me, feels good, and puts them pretty straight down range.
 
Good to hear that you had a great day at the range. Sounds like your wife is a keeper... ;-)

No idea why your point of impact at 200 would shift substantially from being dead on at 100. If it was a windy day it might blow your bullets a couple of inches or so, but not much more than that unless it was really really strong wind.
 
there wasnt any real wind. plus the ranges are seperated by big dirt walls. im gonn go with user error on this one. to hit 200 i had to use a different body position to clear the burm behind the 100y. although the elevation was dead on with it so who knows.

yes shes a keeper for sure. she wants to get her own gun now, i told her about a 22 and the low recoil, shes like, well, that takes the excitement out of shooting. lol. said she wants to shoot a handgun. i havent told her i own one yet, kinda hiding it in the safe because i wasnt sure how she'd take it and i dont have my att for the range yet. so i guess this motivates me to get my ass out there and get it :)
 
uchi, the problem could be wind, or it could have something to do with cant.

One possible problem with cant is the scope isn't mounted level with the rifle. If this were so, then clicking up on the scope will also move the reticle slightly sideways as well. To correct this, make sure your rifle is level, then mount the scope level.

Another possible problem is you are holding the rifle with a cant. I don't know if it could be enough to introduce a few inches error at 200 yds. To correct for this, people use bubble levels designed to attach to their scope or base. This lets you make sure the rifle is level as you are shooting.
 
funny thing about the spotting scope, the wife commented on what a piece of crap mine is and said shes gonna get me one for christmas. so ill just hold out for now but im hoping she takes one of my experienced buddies with her and buys something good :D

the cant is possible, ive got the scope level to the gun right now but that doesnt mean that the tables were shooting from are level, one of them was a tripod today and kept teeter tottering, so that very well could have caused an issue. plus we were shooting from the block with the bi pod on it to clear the burn with high grass. ill have to get out there again and try further down the range where its just 200 yards, but it was taken today. thanks for the help fellas. this shooting long distance stuff is exciting and im looking forward to getting out further and further with the gun :D
 
Shoot a bunch of groups at 200 to see if your gun consistently shoots to the right. If not I'd just chalk it up to user error as you say. Just a thought...

Bullet drift to the right actually occurs when you shoot at long range due to the bullets clockwise rotational spin caused by the right hand twist of the barrel. Lateral drift or some fancy name like that I think it is called. Around the 700m mark in my 6.5x284 I have to dial in about 1.5 moa to the left to keep the bullets in the x ring if starting out with a 300m zero.
 
i hit 3 at 200 and the guy shooting beside me who helped me get on the paper hit one and both of us hit to the right. just thinking that now. weird. your theory makes sense. i was shooting 180gr remington ammo, shot a bit of federal premium 180 gr but the remington core loc is what i finished off the day with. both seemed to hit just as well at 100
 
What do you mean "you hit 3" at 200?

Lateral drift won't be a factor at the ranges you're currently shooting at.

Fun though isn't it? My girl friend doesn't like to admit how much she enjoys going to the range with me. She still is resisting the urge but once in awhile she caves and we have a fantastic time.
 
You never did tell us how much to the right your 200y POI was.

Cant won't meaningfully affect your point of impact at 200 yards (if the gun is within 5 degrees of level, the effect of cant will be less than 1 minute, which in most rifles and most shooting setups won't even be detectable)

Neither will spin drift matter at 200 yards, at all (it's only about three quarters of a minute at 1000 yards)
 
hend238 said:
What do you mean "you hit 3" at 200?

Lateral drift won't be a factor at the ranges you're currently shooting at.

Fun though isn't it? My girl friend doesn't like to admit how much she enjoys going to the range with me. She still is resisting the urge but once in awhile she caves and we have a fantastic time.
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sorry, i hit the target 3 times at 200, we were having an issue with the gun shooting really high at 200y. so we went back to zero at 100, for some reason it was now high at 100y. so once again we zero it off and try for 200 again with a little adjustment and it was good on the elevation but off to the right.

its great fun. as expensive as it is i enjoy the challenge and dont mind spending the money. the guy who was helping me out with spotting and what not mentioned reloading and that got my better half thinking and she said i should start reloading to save money on ammo. shes right into this now its great. wants her own pink gun, wants to shoot hand gun. shes having a great time. told me she'd never go because she has no interest in it. even the other day when i tried to explain bullet drop and setting up the zero on a scope and why i was up half the night with the gun she seemed to almost fall asleep. that changed in one day to the range. the sks put a huge smile on her face. and i thought for sure the 700 was gonna knock her out of her seat but it didnt, she didnt even take the scope off the face like i thought she would have, lol
 
rnbra-shooter said:
You never did tell us how much to the right your 200y POI was.

Cant won't meaningfully affect your point of impact at 200 yards (if the gun is within 5 degrees of level, the effect of cant will be less than 1 minute, which in most rifles and most shooting setups won't even be detectable)

Neither will spin drift matter at 200 yards, at all (it's only about three quarters of a minute at 1000 yards)
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sorry about that, the guy who was shooting beside me who was a much better shooter than me landed one approx 2-2.5 inches right at 200y. mine were closer to 4 inches. even later on in the day once i started to hit 200y repeatedly they kept going 3-4 inches right.

it was more than likely the shooter than the gun. like i said we had to prop the bipod up on a block of wood the ranges uses to shoot from to clear the grass and burm at 100y to make 200y. thats really the best i can think of.
 
If your rifle has a forearm that touches the barrel or if it has a flexible forearm that can touch the barrel when a little pressure is applied, that can make your point of impact be sensitive to how you hold the rifle, how you lean into it, etc.
 
angrysoldier said:
i took my wife once to the range, now my vault is full of pink rifles and pistols......this is what happens.
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the only good thing about that is i bet she let you get a bigger gun safe. thats what im planning on pushing towards. or as my original plan a was, when we get into a bigger house after the honeymoon in sept, build a man room thats safe and secure :D
 
rnbra-shooter said:
If your rifle has a forearm that touches the barrel or if it has a flexible forearm that can touch the barrel when a little pressure is applied, that can make your point of impact be sensitive to how you hold the rifle, how you lean into it, etc.
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the bipod is mounted on the swivel mount. its a remington 700 so the barrel sits on the stock, would putting pressure against the bipod cause that to happen or would it be more with a barrel mounted type of bipod?
 
uchi said:
the bipod is mounted on the swivel mount. its a remington 700 so the barrel sits on the stock, would putting pressure against the bipod cause that to happen or would it be more with a barrel mounted type of bipod?
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I understand you to be saying that the barrel touches the forearm, right? (which is typical for most hunting rifles; most target rifles have clearance between the barrel and the stock). In this case yes your point of impact will be affected by how much you "lean" into the rifle on the bench, or how you hold the forend with your hand, etc. A barrel mounted bipod will be even more susceptible to this effect.

I have an AR-15 which has the forestock attached to the barrel. I can rest it on the magazine (so, barrel floating in the air) and get a certain point of impact at 200 yards. If I instead shoot it with the forend sitting on a rest, this can move my point of impact by 3-6" at 200 yards.
 
that makes sense. i know i was leaning into it a few times trying t keep it steady for the 200y shots. i guess this is where a floating barrel is a big advantage.

do you have any tips for holding my rifle correctly without causing any deviation like this?
 
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