Group of enfields

Hello gents,

Sorry to come into this thread so late. Ian Skennertons publications on the Lee Enfield rifle are the best reference and would certainly back 5thbatt's information up. My own research would indicate that volley sights were removed from Lithgow production late 1916 around serial number range 50000-55000. Windage adjustment rear sight was phased out early 1918 around serial number 85000 but action dates were still 1917 at this time. Cut-off plates remained with the MkIII up until 1941 but were removed from production with the MkIII* rifle between 1918-1923. Its not clear to me exactly when in 1918 the cut-off was removed but the cut-off slot remained into 1919 production but these were still 1918 dated actions.

The OP's rifle looks very good. The pictures aren't great but forend does look like Qld Maple to me and is in very nice condition for early maple. The front band appears to be painted indicating a later replacement and the nosecap also appears to be a later replacement having a solid piling swivel lug. If it was sold from service in 1935, good chance it has never had recoil plates installed so may not be a good idea to bang away too much. If you don't mind posting it, whats the serial number?

Kennymo the volley sight dial pointer and screw both would have been marked with the lithgow star on a lithgow rifle. Very hard items to obtain these days. I cant exactly recall but wasn't the post also removed from the plate on your rifle?

Also with regard butt disc, I've seen most years of 1920's production with and without butt disc and actions as early as 1918 with out so determining exactly when they were removed from production would be very difficult.
 
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( Quote:The OP's rifle looks very good. The pictures aren't great but forend does look like Qld Maple to me and is in very nice condition for early maple. The front band appears to be painted indicating a later replacement and the nosecap also appears to be a later replacement having a solid piling swivel lug. If it was sold from service in 1935, good chance it has never had recoil plates installed so may not be a good idea to bang away too much. If you don't mind posting it, whats the serial number?)

The serial number is 13918
 
That's the serial number and would be on the barrel, sight, nosecap and forend if all parts are original. The other number is the inventory number that was applied when it was issued to the 4th Military Distfict. Does it still have windage adjustment rear sight? Also does the forend have the first stage machining for the rear volley sight like in the picture posted by 5thbatt?
 
The same serial number is on the stock, the forearm wood, and the action. I haven't removed the handguard to check the barrel number as it looks like the little holes are sealed to prevent moisture from getting in. The sight has the windage adjustment but the number on it and the nose cap don't match the serial number. The number on the sight is not far off though from the original serial number. I see no first stage machining for the volley sight.
 
Where is the serial number applied to the stock, is it on the reverse side to that pictured?

No ,I made a mistake on that. The number on the stock is the other inventory number. However, I was looking at the sight again. The only number I can find on it is a number 56069. It is located the same place on the sight as 5thbatt's pic shows the number 56026 on his. Where his shows the serial number at the base of the sight mine has nothing there and I can't find a number anywhere else on it. A pic below.
 
Like yours, the sight was reused being previously on another rifle and has had the previous number barred out, then renumbered to match. Yours hasn't been renumbered.
 
What a great looking SMLE, you've got a nice survivor there. They seem to be getting awfully hard to find, particularly in unrefinished shape. Keep that and treasure it!
 
What a great looking SMLE, you've got a nice survivor there. They seem to be getting awfully hard to find, particularly in unrefinished shape. Keep that and treasure it!

Yes, it and the No 4 MK1 are going nowhere. Actually, the sporter isn't going anywhere either. In fact I have a more period correct scope coming for it.
 
Re: Volley sights - I had a 1918 Lithgow that was a III then * then struck out to indicate the changes at various times in it's life. That rifle was, I believe shipped to the Royal Navy at the start of WW2 - there was a second serial number stamped on the left rear of the action, same number on the underside of the bolt handle. The rifle was an 'A' serial number.
 
Re: Volley sights - I had a 1918 Lithgow that was a III then * then struck out to indicate the changes at various times in it's life. That rifle was, I believe shipped to the Royal Navy at the start of WW2 - there was a second serial number stamped on the left rear of the action, same number on the underside of the bolt handle. The rifle was an 'A' serial number.

Yep that's very common on a 1918 lithgow but the addition or cancellation of the * has no relationship to volley sights. The cut-off alone determines the rifle as being a MkIII or MkIII*.

Is the second serial number you refer to the batch assembly number by any chance? It is found on the underside of the bolt handle and rear right side of action adjacent to the bolt channel.
 
nice Lithgow its a keeper and will get more then 5 or 6 hundred for it with bayo --id say u could get 750 or 800 from a collector it has battle scars
 
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