Grouse/Partridge (wild chickens) in south/central Ontario ?

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Does anyone have personal experience hunting ruffed/spruce grouse (forest/wild chickens) in different parts of Ontario ? I know from personal experience that grouse are very slow & easy to hunt within 20 yards away with a .22lr or 410 (head shots to save meat) as they walk/hop along a trail or logging road in northern ontario. I have hunted grouse around Thunder Bay, Timmins, and as far south as the Port Loring/French River area. Even in the French River area (roughly 3 hours north of Toronto) the grouse are very slow & easy to hunt with a .22lr from short distances before they take off. The area I live, in SW Ontario the grouse are much more difficult to hunt, and are very fast and skittish, and also much more difficult to find. If I see a grouse Brant/Oxford County, you pretty much need a 12/20 gauge shotgun and shoot them in the air once they are found.

My question is for people with experience hunting grouse in different areas of Ontario. At which point from Southern to Central Ontario are the grouse slow, easy to hunt, and kind of not scared of humans which causes them to just slowly walk around even if you walk towards them ?

At which point North are the grouse easy to hunt with a .22lr ?? Orillia ? Bracebridge ? Huntsville ? I know Port Loring is about 1.5 hrs north of Huntsville, is the most Southern area in Ontario that I have hunted grouse & they are just as slow, and easy to hunt with a .22lr as it is much further up North like Timmins or Thunder bay. I figure it is a human population reason of why grouse are fast & timid/skittish or if they are slow & not so scared of humans getting near them, and to put it bluntly, the grouse seem almost dumb. If this is the case, then I would think that once you start travelling North of Orillia and away from large population of humans, then grouse are slow & easy to get near to and easy to hunt with a .22lr ? Also, I would think that if you travelled North of Listowel, and up into the grey/bruce area then grouse may be easy to hunt at those places also since of the low human populations & mostly farms/forests with only a few Towns. Perhaps between Wiarton and Tobermory in the bruce peninsula the grouse are easy to hunt with a .22lr in those areas.

The theory that I have, but would like to have it confirmed is high human populations in southern ontario means the grouse will be difficult to find, and require a shotgun to hunt as they quickly fly after they are scared up. If there is a low population of humans, then the grouse don't see them often and are not as afraid of them, and are easily hunted with a .22lr at close ranges because you can walk up towards them. Another way to look at it is, any areas of ontario that have low human populations also have black bears in the forests.

So basically, if a area of ontario has a black bear presence then the grouse in those areas are easy to hunt with a .22lr as they walk around in the open....but if there are no black bears around due to large human populations, then the grouse in these areas are skittish, fast, and need to be hunted with a shotgun in flight ? Any verification by experienced grouse hunters from different areas of ontario would be appreciated, thanks.
 
At home (Grand Bend area) you can generally get around 10' from them before they book it, but you rarely ever see them here. Up at the cottage last weekend (Manitoulin Island), I walked up to 3 different, or possibly the same one, I didn't ask his name and poked them in the butt with my shoe, he walked about 3' and went back to eating. I also came across one sitting on the trail while riding my atv. I rode past him, only 1' away and he didn't even move.
 
In the area just north of the Kawarthas, and up towards Haliburton, the grouse are pretty wild. The young, dumb ones get killed off pretty quickly. You'll still get the occasional sitters, but you can't just walk up to them. They're a lot more tolerant of vehicles, even atv's, than they are of people on foot.

I recall reading how the early settlers to North America were able to kill them with sticks. I think the dumb ones got killed off first, leaving the shy, skittish ones to survive and breed new generations of shy, skittish birds. The farther south you go, with more people and hunting pressure, the more grouse hunting seems to be a shotgunning game.
 
In the area just north of the Kawarthas, and up towards Haliburton, the grouse are pretty wild. The young, dumb ones get killed off pretty quickly. You'll still get the occasional sitters, but you can't just walk up to them. They're a lot more tolerant of vehicles, even atv's, than they are of people on foot.

I recall reading how the early settlers to North America were able to kill them with sticks. I think the dumb ones got killed off first, leaving the shy, skittish ones to survive and breed new generations of shy, skittish birds. The farther south you go, with more people and hunting pressure, the more grouse hunting seems to be a shotgunning game.

This seems to make perfect sense to me. I'm not an expert on grouse or grouse hunting (...or anything else :) ) but having hunted them allot in the last 4 years, I tend to find the dumbest birds earlier in the season then it just gets tougher. I didn't hunt until the 3rd week of the season in 2013, and got out about 5-6 times~didn't shoot a single bird. By that point, I'd have driven anywhere to get a bead on one. As to what you're asking though...I've yet to spot a grouse in the Haliburton area that didn't spook 50-60+ yards out and even then....not many. Almost stepped on one last summer while groundhog hunting in Grey/Bruce. It was a few feet into the tree line on the edge of a hay field. I've never gone back and hunted there in the fall. (maybe that's my problem) To have a crack at one that will sit there and look at you while you line it up...I honestly think you have to be about Huntsville-ish. Not a guarantee, but that's about the north/south cut-off in my experience but again...I hit my spots north of there in 2013 and didn't shoot one. Flushed a couple way off that I never saw.

I should add~I'm a little surprised we haven't heard from any of the upland purists here on CGN who would likely cringe at the tone of this thread. The same ones who call shooting a sitting grouse "ground swatting" and wouldn't lower themselves to doing it. If it isn't flushed by, and shot over a pure-bred pointer, and shot with a double-barrel, it must be sacrilege! :) Looking for game "easy" to find/shoot would ruffle feathers in other circles I'm sure too...even though most hunters kind of hope for that to happen but relish the good stories/memories from it being a little tougher. I think it's a fair question, and I appreciate the honesty of it. I've yet to meet a deer hunter who would rather shoot a running deer than a standing one. Just thought I'd get ahead of the "haters". Hope this helps! :)
 
It has more to do with their numbers than human numbers. The fewer and farther their numbers are the more wary they are. It's survival of the fittest/wisest.

Not entirely true. That receive LOTS of hunting pressure in southern Ontario and have to deal with turkeys as well, makes them pretty wary and wild. Feral cats are hard too on them and other birds as well.

Grouse in southern Ontario are best pursued by a hunter with a dog.
 
I've grouse hunted 30 years in the temagami area with a 22. Good fun. Often limiting out with head shots.
Tried hunting them in southern ontario this year with my 1 year old setter/lab. I saw 3 in about a week of hunting. They flushed so quick I didn't get a gun on any of them. I bought a 20ga and I'll be making a trip north this year. Not worth my time/effort and fees to hunt them in the south.
 
Man, I really wish we had some grouse (or any other upland birds) here in SW Ontario.
I've seen a woodcock once, two years ago, and a couple pheasants six years ago, but that's it.

It sure sound like fun though.
 
Ruffed grouse are the smarter southern birds, Spruce grouse, also known as fool hens, are the northern birds.

Ruffed grouse range extends well north of Thunder Bay. Southern Ontario ruffed grouse are a totally different bird when compared to northern birds.

North = dumb ruffies that are too easy to kill with a stick or slingshot
South = very wary ruffies requiring a shotgun and quick reflexes
 
I live north shore of lake erie and grew up learning to hunt s. ont grouse. After a hiatus I moved back to the area and brought my young lab back to the areas I used to hunt, with about 4 hours of hunting I flushed two grouse, both were by me (not the dog) and at least 30 yrds when they jumped when I would have a limit in the late 80's. I didn't even bother shooting as the dog didn't work the birds. So, in the deep south, there are basically limited to no birds left, other than a few isolated pockets, factory farming, habitat loss, predation, and turkey predation/completion imho have basically wiped out deep south grouse populations. I would love to have some on my plate again but won't shoot them down here.
 
I got a few last year in the real south west Ontario. They flush far and fly fast down here. There are pockets of them and they taste better here them up north. Hawks and coyotes and habitat loss are the main killers not hunters.
 
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