GSG 1911 - Why Does My Magazine Hold 11 Rounds?

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I bought a GSG 1911 .22 recently and so far I've taken it to the range once.

The magazine held 11 rounds!

I put something in the bottom of the magazine to take up space so it only holds 10 now, but WTF?

Y'all might want to check the capacity of yours. An 11 round pistol magazine would be a prohibited device and could land you in serious trouble, through no fault of your own.

I'm wondering if it was just mine, or if they're all like that. :confused:
 
Good to know, and thanks for the tip.
I will check, although I'm not too concerned because I have never had any of my clips checked, and don't know anyone who has.
I guess it's just one of those things that happen during mass production.
I once had a .303 clip, that held 11rds.
 
Curiousity got the best of me, and I had to check it out.
Number #1 clip held ten, with almost enough room left over for the eleventh.
Number #2 clip would technically hold eleven rds., but the last round isn't held straight enough, to allow it to be cycled into the chamber.
The floor plate comes off easily and I plan on gluing a spacer piece on the upper side of this floorplate, smaller than the inside demensions of the spring.
You can see what I mean when it's apart. Shouldn't take much of a spacer to make things legit.
 
My 11th round was tight, but it would cycle. It was actually my friend who noticed first. He was loading it and suddenly said "Hey, this magazine holds 11 rounds."

I only half believed it, but then he fired 11 rounds and I thought "Oh.........sh_t....prohibited device....great..."

So I tried it myself and sure enough, it held 11 rounds easily and the gun would cycle them all. Only thing is, if you put 11 rounds in, you can't insert the magazine with a closed action. You have to leave the action open so it chambers the first round when you close it.

Anyway, check yours to make sure you can get 10 rounds, and almost, but not quite, 11 (call it 10.9 rounds). It would really suck to be caught off-guard by this if your gun was being inspected for some reason.
 
If you have made no alterations to the magazine and it has been sold to you via a Canadian Firearms retailer then it's not prohibited in any way shape or form.
the CFC determined that it was up to the current laws so if on the off chance you get 11 in there and someone were to check you are in possession of a stock magazine designed for te firearms and allowed by the CFC.

Still better safe than sorry but perhaps it's worth an email to GSG to let them know to tighten up there mag design.
 
Hello All,
If anyone is having any issues with their magazines please contact us immediately. We will fix or replace them with new magazines immediately.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team
 
timoram said:
If you have made no alterations to the magazine and it has been sold to you via a Canadian Firearms retailer then it's not prohibited in any way shape or form.
the CFC determined that it was up to the current laws so if on the off chance you get 11 in there and someone were to check you are in possession of a stock magazine designed for te firearms and allowed by the CFC.

Still better safe than sorry but perhaps it's worth an email to GSG to let them know to tighten up there mag design.
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Sorry - you are 100% incorrect. Just because a 'firearms retailer' sells it to you, doesn't mean it's 'not prohibited in any way shape or form'. I don't know where you're getting this info, but you are flat WRONG. Also the 'CFC' doesn't make any laws, nor do they determine if a magazine is 'up to current laws' (whatever that means).

There have been examples of retailers selling bullpup stocks and unpinned mags. Do you think your excuse of 'I didn't modify it! They sold it to me that way!' will hold up in court? Give it a shot and let us know how that goes.

In this case, it's likely simply a manufacturing tolerance issue. A simple call to Blue Line would have been far better than crying wolf over squeeeezing in an extra round.
 
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I have to agree with canucklehead, rules seem pretty clear. 10 ok, 11 not ok, very clear in fact.

Also use your head, this is a public forum, anyone with this problem call (not e-mail, txt, etc. CALL) the dealer so you can have it replaced.

Alternatively keep the cake hole shut and correct it yourself in the proper manner.

***edit*** See post below. It does inspire confidance in them.
 
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Blue Line said:
Hello All,
If anyone is having any issues with their magazines please contact us immediately. We will fix or replace them with new magazines immediately.

Best regards,
Ryan Patterson
Blue Line Team
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That, my friends, is what I call A1 Service.
I'll check mine when I get home this evening.

Cheers
 
Blueline has sent me a PM offering to send some parts (a new baseplate I believe) which will fix the problem. Apparently this is something that was known to be an issue on some GSG magazines (not all) and parts are available to fix it, so all's well that ends well.

Thanks Blueline!

(By the way, I wasn't posting this because I was upset or anything. Quite the contrary... It's not a big deal to me at all. I would just feel really bad if I didn't say anything, and then one day read about some guy who got arrested for it because he didn't know.)
 
Call the CFC, like I did, and they will tell you exactly what I did.

The magazines was designed for 10 rounds, not for more, if you jam one extra in it does not make it an 11 round magazine, it is a 10 rounder with one round forced in. You can do the same thing with Glock mags....all done legally.

Call the people who make the laws before making your own. The mags are not prohibited because you or e an extra round in them.
 
timoram said:
Call the CFC, like I did, and they will tell you exactly what I did.

The magazines was designed for 10 rounds, not for more, if you jam one extra in it does not make it an 11 round magazine, it is a 10 rounder with one round forced in. You can do the same thing with Glock mags....all done legally.

Call the people who make the laws before making your own. The mags are not prohibited because you or e an extra round in them.
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Sorry - you're still wrong.

13 rounds of 9mm in a 10 round .40 mag - permitted.
15 rounds of .223 in a 5 round .50 Beowulf AR mag - permitted.

11 rounds of 9mm in a 9mm mag - prohibited device
11 rounds of .22LR in a .22LR handgun mag - prohibited device.
6 rounds of .223 in a 5 round .223 PMag - prohibited device.

See a pattern? Call the CFC and ask for what 'they told you' in writing. You will soon find you are incorrect - REGARDLESS of what you think you heard or said.


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Another thing worthy of note: Even after installing the replacement parts from Blueline, to make the magazine hold only 10 rounds, it is still a criminal offense to be in possession of the old parts which could be used to return the magazine to 11 round capacity.

Yes, just being in possession of that part (the old baseplate) is a criminal offense in Canada. That's how screwed up our laws are. This shows how easily the average person could run afoul of the law without even realizing it, and end up facing serious charges.

A man was convicted in BC for being in possession of parts of magazines, none of which were assembled. They could be assembled to make working magazines, but they were not while in his possession. So, as long as I have that old baseplate, I could assemble an 11 round magazine.

For this reason, I will be destroying the old parts, not just removing them.
 
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mdmaroon said:
Another thing worthy of note: Even after installing the replacement parts from Blueline, to make the magazine hold only 10 rounds, it is still a criminal offense to be in possession of the old parts which could be used to return the magazine to 11 round capacity.

Yes, just being in possession of that part (the old baseplate) is a criminal offense in Canada. That's how screwed up our laws are. This shows how easily the average person could run afoul of the law without even realizing it, and end up facing serious charges.

A man was convicted in BC for being in possession of parts of magazines, none of which were assembled. They could be assembled to make working magazines, but they were not while in his possession. So, as long as I have that old baseplate, I could assemble an 11 round magazine.

For this reason, I will be destroying the old parts, not just removing them.
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So when I take my pinned Glock mags apart for cleaning the floorplate of that mag becomes a prohibitied device because I could put it on a non-pinned mag?
 
09outlander said:
So when I take my pinned Glock mags apart for cleaning the floorplate of that mag becomes a prohibitied device because I could put it on a non-pinned mag?
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A guy in BC was convicted for having parts that could be assembled into a 30 round magazine. Apparently they don't need to be assembled into a working magazine, you just need to be in possession of the parts.

If you had the baseplate ONLY, I guess you don't have enough parts to make a working magazine, so then you'd have nothing to worry about. As long as you have all the parts in your possession (so, in your house, for example), you could probably be convicted. I know it's unlikely unless some cop or prosecutor was already out to get you for some other reason...

So, in your example, do you have to remove the pin to disassemble the magazines for cleaning? If so, let's say you throw all the parts in a bag, after removing the pin. Would you be certain you can't be charged for possession of a prohibited device?

Anybody know which case I'm talking about? I think the ruling was made within the last couple years...
 
mdmaroon said:
My 11th round was tight, but it would cycle. It was actually my friend who noticed first. He was loading it and suddenly said "Hey, this magazine holds 11 rounds."

I only half believed it, but then he fired 11 rounds and I thought "Oh.........sh_t....prohibited device....great..."

So I tried it myself and sure enough, it held 11 rounds easily and the gun would cycle them all. Only thing is, if you put 11 rounds in, you can't insert the magazine with a closed action. You have to leave the action open so it chambers the first round when you close it.

Anyway, check yours to make sure you can get 10 rounds, and almost, but not quite, 11 (call it 10.9 rounds). It would really suck to be caught off-guard by this if your gun was being inspected for some reason.
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Good god man! Tell me your friend didnt pull the trigger on that 11th round! That bullet likely jumped the backstop and struck a baby somewhere...
 
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