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I have a 350 grain Hornady flat nose shooting very accurately at 1900fps.

I also have a 405 grain plain based hard cast chuckin out at 1730 fps with hardly any leading and 1.5" accuracy at 100 yards.

What would be your choice?? I gotta dial it in for one or the other. Its my packin gun for streamfishing and deer, elk, bear and if i ever get a moose draw will all be on the menu this fall.

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I don't know, but I would like to know what your recipe for the 350 grain flat nose load is...I'm loading the same bullet currently for my Marlin in .45-70.

So far I've tried H4198 at varying levels.
 
Mark,

I would go with the 350gr load. In fact, I think you should get it going a couple hundred fps faster then you're covered for anything.;):D Send me a pm for the load if you're interested (you too Jeff). It's accurate, but a little tough to hang onto.:evil:

James
 
Win94 said:
Yes a Guidegun question!! What are the odds!!??:rolleyes: :D


I have a 350 grain Hornady flat nose shooting very accurately at 1900fps.

I also have a 405 grain plain based hard cast chuckin out at 1730 fps with hardly any leading and 1.5" accuracy at 100 yards.

What would be your choice?? I gotta dial it in for one or the other. Its my packin gun for streamfishing and deer, elk, bear and if i ever get a moose draw will all be on the menu this fall.

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My Marlin GS shoots into an inch at 100 when I do my part. The only bullet I have ever shot is the 420 gc cast that chronied 1653 fps out of the shortie barrel. I use 40 grains of H4198 and Federal LR primers. H4198 is the cleanest burning powder and leaves no unburnt powder zombies in the barrel.:shotgun:
 
Given the choices, I would use the 350gr Hornady but I would continue load development on both bullets.

Also if you're going to load a 400gr bullet why not just use the Remington 405gr'er?

Casting bullets is likely fun but I have never messed around with that. No help from me regarding that. :redface:

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I tried the Speer 400gr and was not impressed with it's performance, but I had it loaded above it's intended velocity I believe. I had it 1800fps MV and I think it's meant to be down around 1300fps MV. Anyway at that velocity and a near point blank shot (6'3" cinnamon bear 2 years ago) the damn jacket blew apart; it pretty much turned inside out... but it did kill the bear...

I bought some 400gr Hawk bullets with the .060 jacket and they seem to be pretty tough. I shot some into clay at 15 yards and they held together remarkably well. I have not had a chance to shoot a big game animal with it yet tough.
 
RE: 400gr. cast vs 405gr. Rem. vs 350gr. horn.......the 400gr. cast bullet will penetrate more than either of the other two bullets regardless of the nose design of said cast bullet(if hard cast and at the same velocity)
 
From the two choices available, the 350gr Hornady (FP?), although my personal favorite is the Speer 400grFlat-SP. I'm in the process of starting some tests in a couple of different mediums with the Speer 400gr, loaded in my .458wm. My load velocity in the .47-70 Marlin GS are in the 1600 - 1700 f/sec range and in the .458wm, between 2100 & 2200 f/sec. When I can locate some 405gr Remington slugs I look forward to 'trying' them as I've heard some good things about them.
I have a number of cast bullets I like shooting, and they will definately out penetrate the soft point jacketed slugs. However, for hunting I prefer the additional energy and knock down & killing power expended within the game by the bullet mushrooming.
 
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Johnn Peterson said:
From the two choices available, the 350gr Hornady (FP?), although my personal favorite is the Speer 400grFlat-SP. I'm in the process of starting some tests in a couple of different mediums with the Speer 400gr, loaded in my .458wm. My load velocity in the .47-70 Marlin GS are in the 1600 - 1700 f/sec range and in the .458wm, between 2100 & 2200 f/sec. When I can locate some 405gr Remington slugs I look forward to 'trying' them as I've heard some good things about them.
I have a number of cast bullets I like shooting, and they will definately out penetrate the soft point jacketed slugs. However, for hunting I prefer the additional energy and knock down & killing power expended within the game by the bullet mushrooming.
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John I shot a 6'3" black bear with those bullets 2 years ago. My load was ~1800fps MV and I shot the bear at only about 30 yards. Both bullets hit the spine. I only recovered small FRAGMENTS of lead and jacket of only ONE BULLET!! The jacket had literally turned inside out, bullet number 2 had VAPORIZED!! There wasn't enough lead or jacket material left in the wound channel to recover, let alone evaluate. I have never seen a bullet disintegrate like that. And that's what it was; total disintegration!! I poked around in the wound channel of that bullet and there was nothing left in there except a big hole.

It is my belief, after this experience, that these 400gr Speer bullets have to be limited in velocity. I contacted Speer about this btw. I think these are intended for a MV of ~1200-1300fps. I would not want to see what they do when fired at 2200fps MV, UNLESS YOU'RE INTENDING TO SHOOT AT LONGER RANGES, so the bullet has decreased in velocity. But close range stuff I would avoid these bullets at those type velocities, or I would certainly avoid hitting any heavy bone.

I think the Remington 405gr bullet is better.

I am curious as to what you have shot with these and what is the basis of this as your favorite .45-70 load? If it is deer with shots into the rib cage then I expect these would be fine...
 
I'd be with the hardcasts myself, provided they shoot accurately.

Bone smashers! Also they're cooler. I have some 400gr linotype hardcasts that I'm playing with, and hardcast is an understatement. Too hard maybe. Love the sound when they rock the 200m gong though!
 
@Demonical:

I've read lots of reports that the Remington 405's are explosive too, and best for deer at factory velocities only.
 
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the Remington 405's are explosive too,
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Not from what I have seen. I push them about 1850fps, this one was recovered after going almost through two trees. Pretty hard on bullets.

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All the animals I have seen shot with this load have been complete pass throughs, even when they did hit bone.
 
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