Gun range membership for restricted? bought Colt Canada SA20

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Just bought SA20 for my first restricted buy. I am currently not a member of a gun club or range, the gun range near me has membership valid till Dec. 31 of every year so I am thinking to buy one for 2019 (cost more than $200) which will not be available until after Christmas. I have started living in AB and have no idea of CFO rules here. Will CFO allow the transfer if I say that I intend to join gun range but have not done so? also suggest where to pick USGI style aluminium mags.


UPDATE 03 dec 2018: I had indicated the name of the club that I plan to join (but haven't join even now) in the online store form when I purchased restricted. I was anticipating call that transfer cannot occur because not a range member. But quite the opposite happened: Today, I got a transfer notification from CFO, it says that I can take possession of firearm and registration certificate will be sent later.

I have had RPAL from some years but I made my first restricted purchase now in 2018. I had originally applied for RPAL as target shooter. Why did AB CFO approve the transfer without asking me for range membership? I am baffled. Is it possible that they have put me as collector without my knowledge or permission?
 
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I’m not sure about AB but Ontario you don’t need a membership. Honestly just tell them what you’re planning on doing and they probably will work with you. So will the range. Just tell them you want to start Jan 1. Should be easy to accomplish.
PS you will love ARs and now the hunt for handguns can begin!
 
the cfo does enforce the rule that you have to have a recent valid membership of good standing of a range they recognize. even if you just wanted to take it home and wait to purchase your 2019 membership. i went through the same thing several years ago ... i just left it with the retailer untill the following march. a real piss-off too. as clubs will only sell you a full year, not just a few months...so the only way they will give you "permission" to take your property, home. is to waste the 100 dollars for your 2018 membership. two months. but give em a call, you never know what other ideas they may have, good luck. p.s. i am in b.c.
 
Superfly999 said:
I’m not sure about AB but Ontario you don’t need a membership. Honestly just tell them what you’re planning on doing and they probably will work with you. So will the range. Just tell them you want to start Jan 1. Should be easy to accomplish.
PS you will love ARs and now the hunt for handguns can begin!
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Thats what I am planning to do and yes, going to buy a handgun as well. I never bought a restricted just because of the hassle that I feel is associated with them. Finally getting into restricted guns due to this c-71/handgun ban type bull#### that keeps coming back.

mussyhairhillbilly said:
the cfo does enforce the rule that you have to have a recent valid membership of good standing of a range they recognize. even if you just wanted to take it home and wait to purchase your 2019 membership. i went through the same thing several years ago ... i just left it with the retailer untill the following march. a real piss-off too. as clubs will only sell you a full year, not just a few months...so the only way they will give you "permission" to take your property, home. is to waste the 100 dollars for your 2018 membership. two months. but give em a call, you never know what other ideas they may have, good luck. p.s. i am in b.c.
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Sad but looks like this will be my only second option I think, I don’t plan on spending 200 bucks for a month of membership.

enefgee said:
Many clubs start selling memberships in November, for the next year - if you send a copy of the membership card to your CFO, they'll usually accept it (at least in BC)
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I asked the gun club they won’t be selling until last week of December.


Maybe someone from Alberta can tell me about alberta CFO in particular.
 
Being the responsible and law abiding firearm owner that I am, I called the RCMP in Mirimichi yesterday to inform them that I have finally joined a range/club . The lady on the phone said no problem, let me transfer you to the Obtario CFO.

When I spoke to the Ontario CFO office, the lady sounded like she thought I was crazy. Asked if I had purchased any restricted firearms yet to which I replied 'duh, yeah' and then proceeded to explain special conditions and blah blah blah, lol. She told me I didn't need to call in for this.

So apparently the Ontario CFO doesn't give a f$%& if you're a range member in Ontario or not. 10 minutes of my life I'm not getting back, lol.

Cheers,
EZTRGT
Kyle
 
You don't have to have a range membership in Ontario to purchase restricted's. I have 3 so far and I'm just finally joining a range this weekend.

J

EZTRGT said:
Being the responsible and law abiding firearm owner that I am, I called the RCMP in Mirimichi yesterday to inform them that I have finally joined a range/club . The lady on the phone said no problem, let me transfer you to the Obtario CFO.

When I spoke to the Ontario CFO office, the lady sounded like she thought I was crazy. Asked if I had purchased any restricted firearms yet to which I replied 'duh, yeah' and then proceeded to explain special conditions and blah blah blah, lol. She told me I didn't need to call in for this.

So apparently the Ontario CFO doesn't give a f$%& if you're a range member in Ontario or not. 10 minutes of my life I'm not getting back, lol.

Cheers,
EZTRGT
Kyle
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inconclusivejer said:
You don't have to have a range membership in Ontario to purchase restricted's. I have 3 so far and I'm just finally joining a range this weekend.

J
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Yeah, I already knew that part as I had purchased 3 restricteds before joining the range. The RSO suggested I call and let them know tho.
But it doesn't matter. They dont care.

Cheers,
EZTRGT
Kyle
 
mossks said:
Maybe someone from Alberta can tell me about alberta CFO in particular.
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I ran into this issue a few years ago when I wasn't shooting my handguns enough to justify the $360/year membership fee rather than just doing the $20 drop in fee the few times I went to the range.

The AB CFO told me I had to have a range membership to own and buy restricted unless I wanted to change my PAL to a collector status which I did not. I told them this wasn't true but they insisted it was. At this point I basically "went to war" with the CFO over this. After 3 months of back and forth between me and them, mostly me asking where it was written in the law that I needed a range membership and asking why they where unlawfully not approving my request I "won" and they approved. I've since gotten involved in 3gun/IPSC and shoot my restricteds lots so I have a couple range memberships so it's not a issue anymore.

So basically two options:

1- Battle with them if you have the time and desire, you should win however it might take some effort.

2- Buy a cheap membership at a range that you wont even go to just to have the membership. I think the ValleyView range membership is around $50, there might even be cheaper ones out there.

Good luck!
 
Straight Shooters Indoor range in Calgary offers a monthly membership for $54. That might be a low cost option to get the gun registered to you, you can then join your preferred club in the new year.

Auggie D.
 
JayCarver said:
I ran into this issue a few years ago when I wasn't shooting my handguns enough to justify the $360/year membership fee rather than just doing the $20 drop in fee the few times I went to the range.

The AB CFO told me I had to have a range membership to own and buy restricted unless I wanted to change my PAL to a collector status which I did not. I told them this wasn't true but they insisted it was. At this point I basically "went to war" with the CFO over this. After 3 months of back and forth between me and them, mostly me asking where it was written in the law that I needed a range membership and asking why they where unlawfully not approving my request I "won" and they approved. I've since gotten involved in 3gun/IPSC and shoot my restricteds lots so I have a couple range memberships so it's not a issue anymore.

So basically two options:

1- Battle with them if you have the time and desire, you should win however it might take some effort.

2- Buy a cheap membership at a range that you wont even go to just to have the membership. I think the ValleyView range membership is around $50, there might even be cheaper ones out there.

Good luck!
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I had a similar situation. I was out of the country for 2 years then, laid up for almost a year when I got home, my RPAL had to be renewed which I did but then had to provide proof of gun club membership in order for the Alberta CFO to approve my new RPAL. I explained several times that I was unable to go shooting and had no plan to join a club simply to appease the CFO given my circumstance. I told him I would be joining a club as soon as I was able to go shooting again, but had no idea as to exactly when that might be. He finally agreed to this and I thought it was over, until I got a call from the loacl firearms officier to schedule an inspection of my "collection".
Turns out the CFO changed my staus to "collector" without letting me know and becasue I have well over a dozen handguns along with the rest of my collection of guns.


OP my suggestion is to approach the local ranges and see about an associate member ship which tends to be cheap.
 
Deckard said:
SA20 fkr first gun is pretty cool.
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I had my eye on it from quite some time.

All the suggestions are helpful. I will talk to CFO and will post an update after transfer.

CFO changing status to collector without asking was actually one of my concerns @no-one special
 
JayCarver said:
I ran into this issue a few years ago when I wasn't shooting my handguns enough to justify the $360/year membership fee rather than just doing the $20 drop in fee the few times I went to the range.

The AB CFO told me I had to have a range membership to own and buy restricted unless I wanted to change my PAL to a collector status which I did not. I told them this wasn't true but they insisted it was. At this point I basically "went to war" with the CFO over this. After 3 months of back and forth between me and them, mostly me asking where it was written in the law that I needed a range membership and asking why they where unlawfully not approving my request I "won" and they approved. I've since gotten involved in 3gun/IPSC and shoot my restricteds lots so I have a couple range memberships so it's not a issue anymore.

So basically two options:

1- Battle with them if you have the time and desire, you should win however it might take some effort.

2- Buy a cheap membership at a range that you wont even go to just to have the membership. I think the ValleyView range membership is around $50, there might even be cheaper ones out there.

Good luck!
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Thank you for doing this. If more gun owners used the system against itself, we'd be far better off.

Did you file a Section 74(1) challenge?
 
You could also pay 50$ to join the silvercore gun club and that should do the trick. Yearly from the date of purchase and has liability insurance.
 
UPDATE: I had indicated the name of the club that I plan to join (but haven't join even now) in the online store form when I purchased restricted. I was anticipating call that transfer cannot occur because not a range member. But quite the opposite happened: Today, I got a transfer notification from CFO, it says that I can take possession of firearm and registration certificate will be sent later.

I have had RPAL from some years but I made my first restricted purchase now in 2018. I had originally applied for RPAL as target shooter. Why did AB CFO approve the transfer without asking me for range membership? I am baffled. Is it possible that they have put me as collector without my knowledge or permission?
 
mussyhairhillbilly said:
what is a section 74(1) challenge?
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Here ya go: (bolding mine)

References to Provincial Court Judge

Marginal note:Reference to judge of refusal to issue or revocation, etc.

74 (1) Subject to subsection (2), where

(a) a chief firearms officer or the Registrar refuses to issue or revokes a licence, registration certificate, authorization to transport, authorization to export or authorization to import,

(b) a chief firearms officer decides under section 67 that a firearm possessed by an individual who holds a licence is not being used for a purpose described in section 28, or

(c) a provincial minister refuses to approve or revokes the approval of a shooting club or shooting range for the purposes of this Act,

the applicant for or holder of the licence, registration certificate, authorization or approval may refer the matter to a provincial court judge in the territorial division in which the applicant or holder resides.

Marginal note:Limitation period

(2) An applicant or holder may only refer a matter to a provincial court judge under subsection (1) within thirty days after receiving notice of the decision of the chief firearms officer, Registrar or provincial minister under section 29, 67 or 72 or within such further time as is allowed by a provincial court judge, whether before or after the expiration of those thirty days.
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