H&k g3, ar10, h&k 91

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Ammo Al

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Due to an unfortunate series of circumstances (mainly bad luck and stupidity on my part) I had a number of firearms stolen.

They were all registered and the theft was reported to the police. The guns stolen included an H&K G3, AR10, and an H&K 91. The guns were inoperative, the bolts having been removed.

My problem is that I have to get a "price" for the guns for insurance purposes.

The AR10 was an FA, commercial (purchased from the factory and imported by the original owner).

The H&K G3 was an FA, commercial, (purchased from the factory and imported by the original owner), originally with a folding stock (also stolen) but replaced with green furniture and a heavy bipod. (Mounts at the rear of the barrel).

The H&K 91 was one of the first Black rifles I purchased (1976). I had a modified trigger group which let you "set" the trigger.

The DIFFICULT question is WHAT ARE THESE GUNS WORTH for INSURANCE PURPOSES????
 
That's terrible... Your broker should be able to help you. I'm not sure if the values are based on what you paid, or what they'd now sell for... The 12.x market is VERY mercurial.
 
The AR10 was an original Dutch made Commercial rifle with a 3 digit serial number (666).

The original owner brought in H&K G3, 31 and MP5 as well as the AR10.

The only one I haven't owner is the 31 and I know where it is and still have an eye on it.

The reason for the posts is to find some kind of Canadian price. I lost an MG34 and 42 but I can get a price.

I also lost an FN FAL commercial. The gun was in the same serial number range as the "legal" FN's in the US.

No mags were taken.
 
I really hope they are recovered and cash value becomes moot. It seems most of these firearms went down in value once we no longer could shoot them. The M14 seems to be an exception as there is a demand for the parts.
 
Ammo Al said:
The AR10 was an original Dutch made Commercial rifle with a 3 digit serial number (666).....
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The AR10's value is depressed because of the whole 12(3) thing and I have seen worn ones sell in Canada for $1250 but nice ones sell for $2500. If it comes to an insurance claim you can justify higher values by looking to the US market, which values a semi-auto Dutch AR10 kit gun at 2x the Canadian value.

I would be curious to know whether the AR10 was the more rare Cuban model or the less rare Sudanese. The Cubans had no bayonet lug and also has no threads for a blank fire adaptor.
 
The AR10 was NOT military it was a TRUE commercial rifle, bought from the factory. No military marks and essentially the big "brother" of the original AR15/M16.

My understanding is that Lufthansa had some in airplanes for "protection".
 
Ammo Al said:
The AR10 was NOT military it was a TRUE commercial rifle, bought from the factory. No military marks .... ".
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The AI factory made some rifles "to order". Generally though the early rifles fell into several categories (Cuban, Sudan, Guatemalan, etc). All these examples were marked the same but some would eventually have proof marks showing they passed through Breat Britian. Commonly, you can find 1980's Brit proof marks on the worn kit rifles that Wilke brought in.
 
Your problem is the Prohibited status. Makes putting a value on 'em difficult as the market is extremely small. I'd contact or surf to sites like Joe Salter and/or iCollector. Both sell pretty high end stuff. Salter is Canadian, as I recall. Not that it'll likely help much.
If you do not have a replacement value rider your insurance company is going to give you whatever they think they're worth. Worst part is once you take a check, if and when they are recovered, the insurance company will own 'em and they'll be destroyed anyway.
 
Insurance companies will normally accept valuations from dealers who work in the specialist markets that the stolen goods are part of, ie - you can't get your Van Gogh back, but a similar one sold last week for ### means more coming from a dealer than it does coming from the internet.
 
Ammo Al said:
The AR10 was an original Dutch made Commercial rifle with a 3 digit serial number (666).

The original owner brought in H&K G3, 31 and MP5 as well as the AR10.

The only one I haven't owner is the 31 and I know where it is and still have an eye on it.

The reason for the posts is to find some kind of Canadian price. I lost an MG34 and 42 but I can get a price.

I also lost an FN FAL commercial. The gun was in the same serial number range as the "legal" FN's in the US.

No mags were taken.
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'666'? The sign of the Beast? I'd be tempted to register it as '999' if they ever recover it from the scumbag that stole it.

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So what's going on legally here? I assume you don't lose your status immediately, so it's time to buy quickly?

If I can ask, now were they stored? Sounds like it may not have been the best storage method from your account?
 
No legal ramifications. So far so good.

The guns were in secure lockup and in a locked & alarmed room. Stupidity/error/fluke played a role in the theft, the alarm was not turned on. MY Bad. After the fact I found out that the alarm company can automatically turn on the alarm at a given time. This is normal for businesses but applies to residences as well.

The police locked at my security on the day of the theft and deemed it sufficient. They were very helpful on ways to secure the premises and after seeing how the theft was done I have dramatically upgraded the security.

It should be noted that a bigger/better safe is not really the answer. Given sufficient time ANY vault can be breached. The movie "Thunderball and Lightfoot" starring Clint Eastwood was based on a true storey about bank robbers who used a 20mm Lati to punch a whole in a bank vault wall.

They did not get ALL my FA's so I am still in the class. In fact, even if all my FA's were stolen, the stolen guns are still registered to me and I cant loose my status because I don't have an actual FA.
 
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