H4198 in the 30/06

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While trolling around the net looking for youth loads I came across this one- 35 gr H4198 and 150 Hornady RN. Originally, I was gonna load about 40-42 H4895 with the same bullet for my son to get him started but I have more 4198 than 4895. BTW no velocity was given for the H4198. Anyone have any opinions/experience with this? Thanks in advance.

Moosey
 
I would use the 4198 load you suggested.
I imagine that wold be a good, clean burning load, with a velocity somewhere in the 30-30 range, or likely a bit higher than a 30-30 actually goes.
Bruce
 
H4198 is for smaller capacity cases. No .30-06 loads on Hodgdon's site either. Making up your own data is unsafe. Although there is one 150 grain IMR4198 load on Reloaders Nest. Uses 38 grains. Guy claims 2600 FPS out of a 23" barrel(odd length). Reduce by 10%.
In any case, 40 to 42 of H4895 is below minimum for a 150. That can be as dangerous as above max loads. If you want light loads, use a lighter bullet. A 130 or so will kill a deer with no fuss.
 
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In any case, 40 to 42 of H4895 is below minimum for a 150. That can be as dangerous as above max loads. If you want light loads, use a lighter bullet. A 130 or so will kill a deer with no fuss.
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Hodgdon say you can do their own 60% rule. Look it up. Also stop talking about something you don't know about. By hodgdons own data you can load 30-06 with 28.5gr of h4895 with a 150gr bullet. and still be safe.
I have loaded 223 rem with 16gr of h4895 and works well.

You need to stop making stuff up that you have no idea what you are talking about. Its unsafe.
 
I've put at least 2 lbs of H4198 through my 03-A3 but with cast bullets (311291). Load was 25grs if I've remembered correctly. Not at home to look it up. Load would shoot under 2" at 100 yds. Cast loads are the way to go to introduce youth (and adults) to shooting mid and big bore cartridges. As always confirm all internet loads (including mine) in at least one reliable source.
 
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hometownhero said:
Hodgdon say you can do their own 60% rule. Look it up. Also stop talking about something you don't know about. By hodgdons own data you can load 30-06 with 28.5gr of h4895 with a 150gr bullet. and still be safe.
I have loaded 223 rem with 16gr of h4895 and works well.

You need to stop making stuff up that you have no idea what you are talking about. Its unsafe.
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Sunray never acknowledges or responds to his mistakes. If he did it wouldn't leave time for anything else. :)

But sunray does occasionally have some helpful advice: loading a lighter bullet to reduce recoil is a good idea for a youngster's first deer rifle.
120 or 130 gr bullets loaded to 2500 fps are more than enough for deer out to 200 yds, with noticably less recoil than 150 gr bullets. IMR4064 is a very good powder for that.
 
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The use of a light bullet is the bets starting point, as long as it is satisfactory for use in hunting if that's it's application. The next step is to find an accurate load whose recoil is still manageable. If minimum posted loads are still too stiff, there's no reason why you can't use published cast bullet loads such as found in the Lyman cast Bullet Handbook.

You seem to have 150 gr RN's - here are some light loads with the two powders you have:

IMR or H4198 - 25 to 36 grs
IMR or H4895 - 29 to 43 grs

Before anyone else sees the need to point this out, I do understand that the IMR and Hodgdon versions of 4198 and 4895 are not the same powder, but they are close, and since even the highest level I shared is well below SAAMI max for the 30/06, they're both "safe".
 
Old Ranger is right about the cast bullet loads, and you won't have to research very far in the cast bullet direction to find data for 4198. It's very good for that purpose.
Grouch
 
I've been shooting jacketed bullets using cast bullet load data for many years. From Lyman's #47, 30-06, 151gr cast, IMR 4198 starting load 23.0 gr. - max 37.0. Velocity from 1670 to 2515, respectively. Chronographed velocity is very close to published data. My children started shooting an old Rem 700 that I had re-barreled to 250 Savage. That old 250 shot a 75gr jacketed bullet using 17.5 gr of IMR 4227. Its been lent to friends and relatives over the years and shot this load many times. Now its back at home waiting for the grand daughter.
 
For a mild and accurate load with a jacketed 150gr bullet in the .30-06 try SR4759. 23/24gr will get you around 1950fps. I've used this one in a number of .30-06 rifles and have never been disappointed. SR4759 has been around for a long time and was the MILSPEC propellant for .30-06 frangible bullet ammo that was used for air to air gunnery training in WW2.
 
I've shot a few lbs of SR 4759 behind cast bullets over the years with good results. Unfortunately production is going to be discontinued in the near future if not already. For those who have worked up a pet load with this powder you might want to stock up now if you can find some.
 
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