Has the 350 rem mag gone the way of the doh doh bird?

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Hey guys just bought my 350 rem mag today but have notice it's a little difficult to find brass or even ammo for it so I jumped on the 3 box's of ammo I did find. Isn't anybody shooting this caliber anymore and if not why? I think it's a great do everything round!

 
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It seems that for the most part, the 35 caliber has a somewhat limited although dedicated following. The two 35s that get mention quite often are the 358 Winchester and the 35 Whelen. My interest in the 35 caliber range was initially tied to the big three items of co-operation between Schultz & Larsen and Norma. The 7x61 S&H, 308 Norma Magnum and the 358 Norma Magnum.



In my long quest to finally get a S&L in 358 NM, I did weaken and first pick up a VERY nice Husqvarna:D. Then just recently I finally lucked onto a S&L in that caliber and the quest is complete:D.



Now, I have two 358 NMs

 
I got a NIB Hawkeye I'm selling but only because I have a .358 Win w/tang safety and happened on a very rare bird in 9.3x62 so it's a little redundant to my needs. It's really should be called a .350 WSM "Whelen Short Mag" as it exceeds the Whelen in a short action. It's really a one gun to do it all! Mmmmm..... maybe I should keep it! :)
 
Yes, I do think it is becoming obsolete. It is a useful cartridge and actually was the original "guide gun" in the Remington 600 carbine. The perfect pairing of a short, light and handy carbine with considerable power. I have hunted with 3 .35 Whelens and one .356 over the past 20 years, never saw a need for adding a .350 because I prefer standard barrel length and 250 grain bullets. The 350 RM is quite limited in bullets, no 250's have been loaded by the factories for years and if you handload them they have to be seated so deeply that the cartridge has a little less performance compared to the .35 Whelen. I don't think the 200 grain bullet that Remington loads is a very good bullet for big critters in this caliber. It all adds up to a concept that is very good at a couple things, but far from an ideal "all rounder" in my opinion.
 
I am fairly new to the 350RM, only been running it for a year or so but really like it. I am a super fan of lightweight, compact, short action rifles. When I wanted to step up from the 308Win I debated for quite a while about what I would go with and finally settled on the 350RM. I mentioned these thoughts to a buddy of mine and he offered me a super package that was exactly what I wanted. He had this rifle for about 10 years or more and hadn't even fired it and knew it would have a good home with me :)

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It's a Remington model 7 KS, rebarreled with a 19 inch Hart 1/14 stainless barrel. I got it from him wearing the Leupold compact 2-7 and the Gentry brake. I've since removed the brake and replaced with a thread protector. I must say, she's a little sporty off the bench at 6 pounds, 9.9 oz....

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I got the rifle as seen, with dies and 200 brand new brass from my bud. I settled on running the 225 Partitions on top of 61 grains of Reloader15. That load was max for me, running over the chrono at ~2704fps.
62 grains turned out to be a little too much with slightly sticky extraction, ran over the chrono at 2772fps :)

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I drew first blood with her last fall on a nice 10 point white tail weighing 174 lbs field dressed :)
I was very impressed with the performance of that combo at 120 yards :)
I love this rifle, it's a pleasure to carry all day, accurate, and lots of punch :)

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Edit to add, for the folks that quote the short OAL length issues, powder space, long bullets etc...
As seen above, I can easily stuff 62 grains of Re15 into that case with the 225's and reach max using a drop tube. I would be surprised if I couldn't run the 250 Partition to max using a drop tube, and imagine I could safely get ~2600fps with the little 19 inch barrel ;)
 
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I have not chambered one in several years... it is not very popular anymore... but I would prefer it to any 'short mag' cartridge.
 
Takujualuk said:
Here is an article on bullets I wrote a while ago now.
http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html
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thanks for that! very well written, and my experience agrees with most of yours. In addition to your tests, have had a fair bit of experience with the Speer 250 Grand Slam, and have been completely satisfied with the results on more than a dozen elk and moose. I'll have to revise my earlier comment about 250's underperforming in the .350 RM, seems like that is not correct.
 
Takujualuk said:
Mine still gets used it's a 660 and over the years has taken a lot of game. The 225 Nosler Partition is my favourite though the 250 Grain Partition with heavy loads of W748 gets .5" groups at 2440fps.

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Here is an article on bullets I wrote a while ago now.
http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html
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Every once in a while, I come across an article I can't resist making a hard copy of. Something I can use as reference material in future. :)Yours is one of those and I thank you for your indepth efforts.
You make mention of some 358 Norma Magnum 'aficionados' from the Whitehorse area and I was wondering if one of them might be Ted Wagner?? The reason I ask is a while back I was in the search for a Schultz & Larsen in 358NM. Prior to finding one, Ted offered me the opportunity to purchase a Husqvarna in that caliber:D. After seeing it,;) I couldn't resist.



I have recently acquired my long sot after S&L in 358NM, and while I need two 358NMs:redface:



like a hole in the head, I'm very reluctant to even consider parting with the Husqvarna. I've been reloading primarily Barnes TSX 225gr for it. However, an item of interest I acquired with the Husqvarna is a box of Hornady 275gr RN bullets. Also, a local bullet maker, Matrix Bullets, makes three 35 cal bullets, a 250gr FB10S, 270gr FB6S and a 290gr FB6S, and I was wondering if you've tried any of his bullets? I believe Ted has used a number of them in other calibers.
 
Yes Ted Wagner was one of the Whitehorse people I corresponded with before I moved here. A true gentleman! I also have two 358 Norma's a 6.75 pound Ruger which liked to break scopes until I mounted a 2.5X Leupold and a 9 pound Sako with a 25" heavy Douglas Barrel which shoots sub-moa out to 500 yards. Never tried the Matrix bullets. Truthfully after spending so much money on trying bullets I pretty much use Nosler partitions or accu-bonds in all my calibers of choice. They work so well and I save money in the long run. I have tried to like Barnes X bullets but every time I work up a great load they tweak the design and I have to start all over.

The 358 Norma is a special round. 250 grain bullets at 2800fps get you to a new power level. I like that level and the recoil is still pretty manageable.

Thanks for the kind words about the article. It was a labour of love by a non-writer. I learned a lot with all that testing.
 
By the way those are gorgeous rifles! Don't mean to hi-jack this thread with Norma talk but it is an upgrade! I still use the little 350 Rem Mag but the extra speed really helps with bullet expansion way out there.

The only picture of the Ruger I have is this one by a cow moose in the NWT.

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The Sako is the bottom rifle. Most accurate rifle I own! Douglas barrel is a hummer.
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358 Bullets from wet newsprint

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I still think the 350 is a very useful cartridge. I have owned a couple over the years, still have a custom Mauser in that chambering, and hunt with it when I can. I'm a bit of a 35 fan though, having had/have rifles in 35 Remington, 358 Win, 350 RM, 35 Whelen, 358 NM, 358 STA, 35 G&H, and 35 Wby. Just really good killers of game. - dan
 
The trouble with the 350Rem is that the 358Win works better in a short action and the 35Whelen works better in a long action.
 
SuperCub said:
The trouble with the 350Rem is that the 358Win works better in a short action and the 35Whelen works better in a long action.
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I liked the 358 Winchester but after buying my short action 350 Rem Mag I sold it. I found the extra 150fps of the Remington round really helped with bullet expansion at longish ranges.
 
I just picked up some 200gr accubonds to start reloading but I can't seem to find any reloading info in the nosler manual for this bullet has anybody on here done up any loads using these accubonds any info would be greatly appreciated
 
I use the 350 RM in a Model Seven MS, and find it a very handy and effective weaqpon for it's size,
I have only taken deer using 200gr bullets and can vouch for it's authority, It lays them flat.
I would not hesitate on any animal in North America when using proper bullets.
This is not a long range cartridge but I have no issues up to 300 yards although the furthest
I have shot is about 100yds. As far as finding components it requires you to revert back
to your instincts and become a hunter gatherer again because the stuff comes in spurts.
I don't use factory ammo but do own some and in fact if you want to exploit it's full potential
you should reload.
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I've never been much of a fan of .35 caliber cartridges, except maybe the Whelan, and I think that the shooting public pretty much agrees, as there are few .35's that have ever been really popular. The .350 is no exception although I think if Remington had chambered it in a different carbine other than the Mohawk, it would have been more popular. For instance if it was in something like Rugers new Guide Gun, it may have sold better.
 
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