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- the prairies
Anyone out there thought about going M2 instead of HMR?
Has the high cost of HMR made you change to a M2?
- Thread starter brucecorporal
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migrant hunter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Alberta
I only get time to shoot gophers at my wife's folks place on a few occasions over the summer. If I spend 6 days shooting gophers this year it would be great. So when I do get out I don't mind blowing 50 bucks(or more!) on ammo in a day. 17 hmr is great cos I don't have to load it. Just buy it, load mags and shoot!
was on cz site and they are discontinuing HM2. i noticed the ammo is getting harder to find. hope for your sake that the HM2 isn't on it's way out.my advice is to buy as much ammo as i can afford just in case. cabelas here in winnipeg hardly sells any and i believe they might be dropping it.
- Location
- Sudbury, On
Isn't this thread about asking if going from your Harley to a Honda to "save money" is good move? Instead of just sticking with your trusty commuter year-round? 
How many 22lr firearms do you own that will shoot five shot groups at 100 yards in the 1/2" range with ammunition costing less than $6.50 per box,and do the same damage to a ground squirrel at that distance as a 17mach2 will?Most 22lr firearms that will shoot groups that tight at 100 yards,will only do so with high dollar match ammunition,and that ammunition is more expensive than what I pay for 17mach2,and as not nearly as effective on ground squirrels.
Maybe you're getting your match ammunition from the wrong place , cause the SK and Lapua stuff I use costs around $5 or less per box and holds under an inch at 100 yards. For the application, its adequate. If I want more splat, I use segmented bullets. Yeah, the HM2 might give you more splat and better accuracy in cheap guns, but don't buy cheap guns and dead is still dead even if the results aren't as spectacular.
You can split hairs all you want, but in practice, anything that I'd consider shooting with the HM2 is going to be just as dead using the .22.
You can split hairs all you want, but in practice, anything that I'd consider shooting with the HM2 is going to be just as dead using the .22.
I buy my SK Standard Plus from Hirsch,and it costs under $5 before shipping,but the shipping adds nearly $70 per 5000 for a total of about $5.70 per box.This does hold around 1" or slightly less in my Cooper,but my 17Mach2 Cooper holds closer to 1/2".
For the increased accuracy and quicker kills,I will gladly pay the extra $.80 per box.To me $.80 per box is a small price to go from "adequate" to much better than adequate.
What do they cost,and how do they group at 100 yards in your rifles?
If my Coopers are cheap guns,I guess that I can't afford your guns.
A perfect shot will result in a clean kill with either,but with a less than perfect shot,the HM2 kills better due to the velocity and bullet design.And that extra 1/2" at 100 yards,will mean more less than perfect shots with the 22lr.
I can get Lapua Super Club from this place for $4.50 per box, and pick it up:
http://targetshootingproducts.com/
Lapua Super Club = SK Standard Plus = Wolf MT, all the same stuff.
I originally had all four barrels for my Quad. I sold them all and got match barrels in .22LR and .17HMR. Yeah, the HM2 has an advantage over the .22LR, but not enough to make it worth while. And there is no ammo selection for it. The HMR has better ballistics and better terminal performance than the WMR and gives an extra 75 yards over the HM2. I don't care if the ammo it more expensive than the HM2, I only use the HMR when centerfire can't be used.
http://targetshootingproducts.com/
Lapua Super Club = SK Standard Plus = Wolf MT, all the same stuff.
I originally had all four barrels for my Quad. I sold them all and got match barrels in .22LR and .17HMR. Yeah, the HM2 has an advantage over the .22LR, but not enough to make it worth while. And there is no ammo selection for it. The HMR has better ballistics and better terminal performance than the WMR and gives an extra 75 yards over the HM2. I don't care if the ammo it more expensive than the HM2, I only use the HMR when centerfire can't be used.
Turkeyslayer 1300
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Russell, Ontario
Around here .17HM2 goes for something like 10$ a box IF you can find it. I shot a sweet little Marlin Carbine for about 40$ worth of shells then traded it, you guys are lucky you can get HM2 for anything less than 10$. If I had to choose between .17HM2 and HMR I'd take the HMR because for ammo is more available and about the same price.
I would have to pay shipping,which is going to drive my cost up to around $5 per box if I buy 5000.
And that still doesn't address the issue of the reduced accuracy at longer ranges,and the reduced killing power on small game.
What does 17HMR sell for in your area?The best price that I have seen is $13.50,with most places $15 or more.Better yet,where can you buy it for around $7.50 per box which is about what it would cost to buy 5000 rounds of 17mach2 from Prophet River,and have it shipped to you.Even buying 2000 rounds and having it shipped will get it down to around $8 per box.That is not at all close to the same price as 17HMR.
If I could buy 17HMR for close to the same price as 17Mach2,I would have bought the 17HMR instead.As it is,I use my .223 when the distances get longer,because I can load it for about the same price of 17HMR.And it is much more effective at longer distances,and on larger game than the 17HMR.
1) I don't need to address s**t.
2) I didn't get into shooting to save money.
3) If bought a Cooper rifle, I certainly wouldn't be counting my pennies on ammo cost... that's humorous at best. It's like buying a Ferrari and then preaching about the benefits of running it on Bronze grade.
2) I didn't get into shooting to save money.
3) If bought a Cooper rifle, I certainly wouldn't be counting my pennies on ammo cost... that's humorous at best. It's like buying a Ferrari and then preaching about the benefits of running it on Bronze grade.
Turkeyslayer 1300
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Russell, Ontario
stubblejumper it appears that your mind is made up regarding the .17HM2, Around here there are a few stores who stock either federal or Hornady for 13$ a box if you buy in bulk. I were you I would be buying up all the .17HM2 I could afford because it seems to really be drying up, I fear it will go the way of the 5mm Remington magnum rimfire. Enjoy your rifles.
It all depends on how much you shoot.For the person that shoots a few boxes per year,the extra cost means nothing.For the Western Canadian shooter that shoots thousands of rounds per summer,it is significant.
I have fired over 5000 rounds of rimfire in a summer just shooting ground squirrels.At my cost including GST,5000 rounds of 17mach2 adds up to $682.50,while 5000 rounds of 17HMR adds up to $1417.50,for a difference of $735.In two years,that adds up to $1470,or the difference between a Cooper and a Savage or Marlin rifle.I would much rather shoot a Cooper 17Mach2 for two years for the same price as a Savage or Marlin 17HMR for the same price.At the end of two years,I still have a Cooper that is worth a great deal more than a Savage or a Marlin.
How many years would it take to save up the difference between a Chevy Camaro,and a Ferrari by using regular gas instead of premium gas?
Which is double what I pay for 17mach2,and a huge difference from the $7.50 per box that you could have 17mach2 shipped to you for.You could buy a Savage or Marlin rifle in 17mach2,shoot 5000 rounds of 17Mach2,throw the rifle away,and still be money ahead of buying the same rifle in 17HMR and shooting 5000 rounds.In fact,for the difference that you would save using the 17Mach2 instead of the 17HMR for a couple of years,you would be able to buy a .223 and be even better equipped for both longer shots and larger game.
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