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Hello CGN'ers....

Just recently passed all my courses and going to get my paperwork in asap. Its is time to start thinking about my first firearm purchase. To this end, i think a shotgun will be my first purchase, however in short succession i will be needing a S&W M&P40 and will want a 308 rifle.

Ive picked out the rifle and hand gun i want, the shotgun is the hangup. Both options i have narrowed down to, are not really common, and harder to find someone to buy from. Willing to purchase one used if in great shape...


The choices:

Hatson Arms Escort MPA-TS


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Farbarm SAT8 Professional Telescopic:

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Now. I would be looking at a 20" barrel. I prefer the stock of the Fabarm, however i have heard an 870 stock can be modded to fit the Hatsan. I understand the Hatsan is cheaper, however finding Canadian pricing is difficult. Dealers feel free to PM me if you can get me these shotguns. I am in ontario, so shipping may be required. I looked at the Mossberg but the non adjustable stock is a big downside, and no aftermarket units avail.

Anybody care to weigh in on these two choices. Im sure quality wise, the Fabarm is the win, but is it worth the extra $$$ (how much extra i dont know yet). If i go with the cheaper option it will assist in the purchase of a rifle and handgun. Getting an AR for 3 gun (and fun at range) may replace the 308 bolt rifle....

Sorry for the long winded post! Thanks!
 
I was in your exact position last month. I really liked the SAT8 but did not want to spend the money on one . So I bought a Hatsan MP A new in box off the EE.
( it looks like a good buy but i have not time to shoot it yet)
Then over the next few weeks I kept noticing a SAT8 on the EE. So after a few glasses of wine. I made a offer on it. Now I have both !! ( un- fired as of yet)
The SAT8 is a better built shotgun, but it is twice the money. ( and I have not shot it yet either )
Speaking only for myself I should of just bough the Fabarm in the first place.
If you are looking for a SAT8 " The Shooting Edge" in Calgary seems to carry them.
I am going to keep both the Hatsan and Fabarm . But if I could only have one the SAT8 would be the keeper.
Keep an eye on the EE for a MP-A or a SAT8 .
 
I'd also look at the Mossberg 930, it would probably run you $900-$1000 done up though but it has some advantages: lighter, can be ghost loaded, mag extensions available for 6 2 3/4" shells, more aftermarket, Mossberg name, nicer trigger, safety position, feeds cheap Winchester white box (others i've seen hiccups), ease of loading
I've had the Hatsan and Fabarm and I like the 930 more. Milarm or Frontier carry the 930.If your gonna spend the money on a Sat8 i'd also look at the Benelli M2.
 
I really like my pump fabarm. S&J sells an adapter plate that will let you put 870 stocks on it too. That's how I got my magpul gear hooked into mine.

I haven't heard any problems with the hatsan, but I do prefer Italy to turkey.
 
johhny12gauge said:
I'd also look at the Mossberg 930, it would probably run you $900-$1000 done up though but it has some advantages: lighter, can be ghost loaded, mag extensions available for 6 2 3/4" shells, more aftermarket, Mossberg name, nicer trigger, safety position, feeds cheap Winchester white box (others i've seen hiccups), ease of loading
I've had the Hatsan and Fabarm and I like the 930 more. Milarm or Frontier carry the 930.If your gonna spend the money on a Sat8 i'd also look at the Benelli M2.
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I considered the mossberg as my first choice, however hate the look and feel of the OFM stock, and currently no company has a solution for the gas tube that extends into the stock do aftermarket stocks are non existent.
 
You could order the pistol grip full length choate stock but Mossberg because of the safety design are best kept with regular full length stocks. Collapsible's are nice but I find for my M-L size hands the grips are often too big in many vs the benefit of a better fitting LOP.
 
I've heard only good things about the MPA. I'm looking to get one myself but am waiting for the TS model. I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about the SAT-8 that they don't feed target shells too well. If you find a dealer stocking the MPS-TS make sure to let me know!
 
870 said:
I've heard only good things about the MPA. I'm looking to get one myself but am waiting for the TS model. I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about the SAT-8 that they don't feed target shells too well. If you find a dealer stocking the MPS-TS make sure to let me know!
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Whats new about the TS model?
 
Moparman1303 said:
Anyone own this shotgun? How are the HATSAN OPTIMA MPA 12GA holding up, will they be a cheap choice to do multi gun IDPA?
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Yes to all your questions...


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FYI to date 4000 plus rounds of 2 3/4" no7 .. no FTF issues.

WARINING: RE-Loading it FAST needs alot of dexterity(lots of practice while watching a movie) .. ie: my Benelli M4, 870, Ithaca M37 loads faster.

Its due to their (Hatsan) loading ramp design.
 
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against my better judgement im going to go out on a Fudd limb here and say I would not buy a Hatsan as my first shotgun.
either spend a little bit more and buy a Benelli, or buy an 870 or 590 pump and start with that. aside from a few minor QC issues the 930s also get very solid reviews, if youre hellbent on a semi.

there are several people that are happy with their Hatsan Escorts, but there are also more than enough bad reviews/horror stories about them to make them a good choice for a first shotgun. noone needs their experience soured by #%@$ like that.
 
manbearpig said:
against my better judgement im going to go out on a Fudd limb here and say I would not buy a Hatsan as my first shotgun.
either spend a little bit more and buy a Benelli, or buy an 870 or 590 pump and start with that. aside from a few minor QC issues the 930s also get very solid reviews, if youre hellbent on a semi.

there are several people that are happy with their Hatsan Escorts, but there are also more than enough bad reviews/horror stories about them to make them a good choice for a first shotgun. noone needs their experience soured by #%@$ like that.
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Just so you know...

Hatsan MP-A $ 400 CAN

Benelli M4 $ 1800 CAN

I dont understand the spend a bit more logic.

My Benelli M4 needed a break in period of 2-3 boxes of 3" then the ARGO system sorted itself out from the FTE and FTF issues.
The MP-A required no break in at all ( look up the you tube on MP-A review)

My 870 had the trigger snap in half at around the 300 round mark.
Its now trouble free.

Etc. to the rest of my other shotties.

Im not nice to any of my gear. They are not abused but they are played hard and fast..combined spent 12g ammo 10k plus per year.

If purchased new the HATSAN has a warranty like Remington, like Benelli, issues happen, thats what gun smiths are for if the firearm is used.

PS - I dont have brand loyalties BTW cuz Im not a sponsored shooter.
 
IMHO its wiser to either buy something vanilla like an 870/590, which is a 100% reliable and trusted platform that you can configure into whatever you like.
or,
spend more money, buy something like a Benelli/Fabarm/Beretta that will be reliable for years.

when you already own some quality, reliable, bombproof shotguns that serve you trouble free, feel free to experiment with cheap Turkish off-brand semis. i just think the chance of getting a POS lemon is not worth taking on your first shotgun purchase. thats all im saying, i dont want to get all Fudd-like and turn this into a huge debate.

IMO for your first shotgun pick up an 870 or 590. theyre not expensive, you simply cant go wrong with them, they wont lose their value, and even if you get other guns down the road there is always a place in your safe for one.
 
manbearpig said:
IMHO its wiser to either buy something vanilla like an 870/590, which is a 100% reliable and trusted platform that you can configure into whatever you like.
or,
spend more money, buy something like a Benelli/Fabarm/Beretta that will be reliable for years.

when you already own some quality, reliable, bombproof shotguns that serve you trouble free, feel free to experiment with cheap Turkish off-brand semis. i just think the chance of getting a POS lemon is not worth taking on your first shotgun purchase. thats all im saying, i dont want to get all Fudd-like and turn this into a huge debate.

IMO for your first shotgun pick up an 870 or 590. theyre not expensive, you simply cant go wrong with them, they wont lose their value, and even if you get other guns down the road there is always a place in your safe for one.
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The point Im trying to clarify is that there is no such thing as a 100% reliable, bombproof trouble free 870 or 590 or ANY shotgun for that matter.

Like I said I probably shoot more rounds per month than most people shoot in a year and my new 870 had its firing pin snap in half(not the trigger as I mistakenly said earlier) around the 300 round count. So where is the bombproof in a Remington 870 ?

My Ithaca M37 needed a new extractor arm a year ago from all the slam firing Ive been doing to it. Does that mean its US made junk?

I can say with confidence(4000 + rnds) that the MP-A does not need to be cataloged as roll of the dice off brand 1st semi auto shotgun purchase.

No the MP-A is not ###y like a M4 but as food for thought, Haitian Security Forces use these 24/7 on their patrols. Thats a country that has extreme heat and humidity year round.
 
sendmorebrains said:
The point Im trying to clarify is that there is no such thing as a 100% reliable, bombproof trouble free 870 or 590 or ANY shotgun for that matter.

Like I said I probably shoot more rounds per month than most people shoot in a year and my new 870 had its firing pin snap in half(not the trigger as I mistakenly said earlier) before the 400 round count. So where is the bombproof in a Remington 870 ?

My Ithaca M37 needed a new extractor arm a year ago from all the slam firing Ive been doing to it. Does that mean its US made junk?

I can say with confidence(4000 + rnds) that the MP-A does not need to be cataloged as roll of the dice off brand 1st semi auto shotgun purchase.

No the MP-A is not ###y like a M4 but as food for thought, Haitian Security Forces use these 24/7 on their patrols. Thats a country that has extreme heat and humidity year round.
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Yes and also the design is 21 century compared to rems older design. Turkish makes some fine products and have beautiful wood on their shotguns. They back up their product and go review the bolt on their semis one, pretty awesome.
 
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