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In Standard division, if I was using a USP Expert in.40, and it was a DA/SA configuration, would I have to apply the manual safety if I decocked into DA mode after LAMR?
 
Yeah but why would you decock? I shot Standard for one match and had it cocked and locked safety on. Didnt use double action. You dont have a safety on yours right now do you? You end up buying an expert?
 
hhmmmm...good question.

It's hard to imagine that if decoked is good enough in prod...that it wouldn't be good enough in Standard (maybe I'm being too logical)

I guess it depends on what is considered the "primary safety"

I'm going to verify with NROI Canada...but my initial thought would be...decocking would be good enough (but I've been wrong before)

I'll let you know what answer I get back

Cheers
 
I thought if you had a safety in Production you have to use it? I decock then put on the safety.
 
If the hammer is down and the firearm shoots the first shot double action I believe this is sufficent for production without the thumb safety being engaged, if the hammer is cocked then the safety would have to be applied before holstering and that would put you in Standard. The Para LDA can be shot in Production without the thumb safety being applied but in Standard I believe it has to be applied before holstering. Some CZ models as well can be manually decocked for production or holstered cocked with the thumb safety applied, but the latter would put you in the standard division.
 
USP said:
I thought if you had a safety in Production you have to use it? I decock then put on the safety.
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WHOAH!! No way. DA only in pRoduction. The Trigger does 2 things in DA, cocks and releases the hammer, after the 1st shot it will then be in SA mode (You already know that, but others reading this post may not)
I would believe that if my USP is in SA mode, I must apply the manual safety if I choose to start in SA in Standard. IF I start in DA mode (having LMR), then decocked from SA to DA before holstering, I shouldn't have to re-engage the manual safety...(?)

Why would I want to do that,,......If it is a really close target to start off on (ie:3-5m), I would just draw and fire. Truth is, I am getting used to the DA USP pull, and don't really find it a hinderance, but would use it the SA mode and external/ manual safety if I had to draw on a far target, or had to move to a position that was not in my FOV. I am not used to drawing and releasing the safety like a typical 1911/2011 SA only pistol is all.

I could still LAMR, with a Variant #9 (DA/SA, with external safety only-no decocker), as I could just manual decock using my thumb and finger.
 
^yeah I dunno. I use the decocker then engage the safety. I find to draw, target and switch off the safety then shoot DA isnt to slow..

I also shoot 1911s on occasion so USP or 1911s safety is the same.

I thought yours was LEM, with just decocker and no safety now? Or will you not go LEM on the Expert?

I was actually gonna go with Ambi safety, as the occasional safety on, weak hand shoot is a hassle with a single sided safety.
 
USP said:
^yeah I dunno. I use the decocker then engage the safety. I find to draw, target and switch off the safety then shoot DA isnt to slow..

I also shoot 1911s on occasion so USP or 1911s safety is the same.

I thought yours was LEM, with just decocker and no safety now? Or will you not go LEM on the Expert?

I was actually gonna go with Ambi safety, as the occasional safety on, weak hand shoot is a hassle with a single sided safety.
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Nope, mine is a Variant # 3, DA/SA with which the lever decocks only
So I have no external/manual safety. If I had an LEM (which I used briefly in my first USP), I would have no external lever at all, as it is a DAO pistol; similiar to an LDA.
 
USP said:
^yeah I dunno. I use the decocker then engage the safety. I find to draw, target and switch off the safety then shoot DA isnt to slow..

I also shoot 1911s on occasion so USP or 1911s safety is the same.

I thought yours was LEM, with just decocker and no safety now? Or will you not go LEM on the Expert?
I was actually gonna go with Ambi safety, as the occasional safety on, weak hand shoot is a hassle with a single sided safety.
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I would keep it DA/SA, and leave it in Variant # 1 mode, or change it to Variant # 3 or #9.

The LEM is great for for 1st shot, and secondary shots it would be great, but it is something you would want to use exclusively. IT is hard to get used to for follow up shots. To switch back and forth is just a PITA for me.
 
yeah forgot that LEM was no decocker, I always get it confused with variant which is decocker but no safety.
 
there are two starting (loaded) positions for guns with external hammers:

a) hammer cocked and external safety applied, or
b) hammer fully down or decocked

This is independent of which division you shoot it. Production division eliminates the first option, that's all; in other divisions, feel free to go either way. No safety needed if decocked, in fact most sa/da guns will not allow you to put the safety on with the hammer down. Not all, just most.
 
maurice said:
In Standard division, if I was using a USP Expert in.40, and it was a DA/SA configuration, would I have to apply the manual safety if I decocked into DA mode after LAMR?
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8.1.2.3 - Ready condition; decocked or cocked with safety. Your choice for Standard.
 
NOPe.
I removed the option of having an external safety the moment I got the $12 part. I accidently engaged the safety twice in one match; that was enough for me.
 
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omen said:
there are two starting (loaded) positions for guns with external hammers:

a) hammer cocked and external safety applied, or
b) hammer fully down or decocked

This is independent of which division you shoot it. Production division eliminates the first option, that's all; in other divisions, feel free to go either way. No safety needed if decocked, in fact most sa/da guns will not allow you to put the safety on with the hammer down. Not all, just most.
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Hello all,
I've just read the IPSC manual and thinking of trying this exciting shooting sport.

This question(sry if it sounds stupid) has me a tad confused (not uncommon:redface: ) I was thinking of using my CZ85 combat to start and use it for Production.
Now since the only way to engage the safety is with the hammer cocked, does this mean I have to shoot Standard as there is no decocking device?

Seems when I meantioned trying IPSC everyone said my pistol was good to start in production.

Cheers,
Den:confused:
 
Not sure about those pistols, but can you manually decock it to DA? If so, then that is how you would start from your holster, in DA, not SA.
 
Then tricky part with CZ is you must decocked your pistol manually ie:pull the trigger while holding the hammer and bring the hammer forward slowly....practice that gun empty until your finger hurt before doing it with ammo....

Because at the minimum the first shoot shall be Double Action (DA)

If you hammer is #### and safety is ON it's welcome to open because of your declare divisions (assuming that you declare Production)

Or declare standard and have fun....but them I'm also assuming that it's a 9mm caliber so now you are shooting minor for the scoring portion of thing's...no biggy but might be discouraging at first.
 
The only reason I can see for decocking in standard is for additional safety. other then that you are leaving yourself at a disadvantage.. and why do that??

as for the safety.. if a manual safety is good enough for everyone else, then why not for your gun? Sure you could go the extra mile, but it would be your personal choice (but not required).
 
Dansy said:
Then tricky part with CZ is you must decocked your pistol manually ie:pull the trigger while holding the hammer and bring the hammer forward slowly....practice that gun empty until your finger hurt before doing it with ammo....

Because at the minimum the first shoot shall be Double Action (DA)

If you hammer is #### and safety is ON it's welcome to open because of your declare divisions (assuming that you declare Production)

Or declare standard and have fun....but them I'm also assuming that it's a 9mm caliber so now you are shooting minor for the scoring portion of thing's...no biggy but might be discouraging at first.
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Thanks for that info Dansy . Since the 85 combat doesn't have a decocking device but does explain what you mentioned as " a Safe mode , by lowering the hammer to the firing pin stop". Now is this considered decocking? And basically trying to figure if I can stay in Production.

And you right it is a 9mm. As stated earlier I'm just looking to try this and still need to take the BB course and would like to get my feet wet before I pour all kinds of money into this. Shooting in general is new to me (family was not into guns even with dad in the RCAF) and after a some time plinking. I feel a need to try somthing else besides plinking. Better late (I'm 48:eek: ) then never.

Cheers, Den
 
Yes it's considered as deckoking since the pistol is now in DA mode.

I started way too late also....you don't need much to start 3+ mag 5 is nice 3 or so mag pouches a holster and ammo....the best way would be too find a member of IPSC close to you and talk with him....all IPSC shooter I know are really into shooting :)
 
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