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I need laymens terms...

I have tried to make several firing pins for different guns...they all work but very quickly mush-squish-bend

I have a small torch and can heat stuff till it melts

Quenching?.....oil?....water?...brine?
 
Use the springs from the trunk of most older cars. Machine to what you need, and dont worry about heat treating or tempering.
 
How?

I need laymens terms...

I have tried to make several firing pins for different guns...they all work but very quickly mush-squish-bend

I have a small torch and can heat stuff till it melts

Quenching?.....oil?....water?...brine?

If it is air hardening steel you use air, if it is oil hardening steel you use oil, if it is water hardening steel you use water...

Some steels won't harden if they do not have enough carbon content.
 
Depending on application I'll generally use oil hardening steel (O-1). Heat finished part to non magnetic (bright cherry red) being careful to not overheat. Overheating leads to coarse grain structure and surface decarbeurization, greatly weakening the finished product. For tempering, again in most applications, a spring temper makes a good compromise between hardness and toughness. I have used the lead bath method for almost 4 decades and trust the process.
 
How?

I need laymens terms...

I have tried to make several firing pins for different guns...they all work but very quickly mush-squish-bend

I have a small torch and can heat stuff till it melts

Quenching?.....oil?....water?...brine?

If you use torrents...

h ttp://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4626492/AGI-_Heat_Treat_and_Case_Hardening

Its a pretty basic video, and the terminology wont help you pass a metallurgy exam, but its all pretty much there.
 
I find one of the most useful ways to make small hardened parts is to case harden parts made from mild steel. Mild or low carbon steel is the most common steel found in bar and strip form in Canadian tire etc. I case harden using a product called Kasenit, which can be obtained mail order from Brownells. The process is very simple; heat up part to cherry red and plunge it in to the kasenit powder, remove reheat to cherry red and plunge in to water. The great thing about case hardening firing pins is that they are tough but do not tend to break
 
I find one of the most useful ways to make small hardened parts is to case harden parts made from mild steel. Mild or low carbon steel is the most common steel found in bar and strip form in Canadian tire etc. I case harden using a product called Kasenit, which can be obtained mail order from Brownells. The process is very simple; heat up part to cherry red and plunge it in to the kasenit powder, remove reheat to cherry red and plunge in to water. The great thing about case hardening firing pins is that they are tough but do not tend to break

Kasenit X2.
 
Some pins lend themselves to being made from one of the 300-series of stainless steels. Stainless will often be naturally sturdier and work-hardens itself. It just depends on the gun, but I usually machine trunk-rod with a carbide cutter and be done with-it. 316 Stainless makes a good pin as well; it just depends on the application and the length of pin. It's folly to always harden the whole length, and with long pins , it may be advantageous to anneal or draw their middle, leaving the ends hard so it doesn't break again. Consult the Iron-Carbide diagram. Becoming a blacksmith takes a long-time, you'll never learn from here, you gotta learn-it hands-on. I like to make long, flat pins for .22's and Marlin .32 RF/CF pins from Volkswagen microbus transaxle torsion springs. You just gotta look-at what the pin does and make-it work. That's all.
 
Well... If you can use/machine material with known suitable hardness without re-heating it - just do it. Otherwise any steel has it's own temperatures for different phases (carbon % being the most important factor) and procedures for heat treatment - including rate of cooling to get the required structure.

Small parts are prone to de-carbonizing, long parts tend to get crooked... so you get the point... ;)

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I make firing pins out of tool steel - I sometimes use old drill bits that have been annealed.
After shaping and fitting I used Kasenit to case harden them.
They seem to be as good as the original.
 
thanks guys...

I forgot to mention....I like to turn stuff out of mild steel for ease of machining....then attempt to harden

my last attempt resulted in a piston that looked like a wet noodle
 
Well - Mild steel doesnt have sufficient carbon content for heat treating. Typical 1020 bar stock only has 0.2% carbon, you need to get up to 0.7 to 0.9 % to facilitate Q+T. Problem is, this stuff is already heat treated when purchased - you'd have to anneal it before machining. Perhaps the casenite (sp?) is the way to go.
 
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You can harden mild steel by quenching, but it won't be as effective as if you had used a higher carbon content steel. It doesn't matter what heat treatment was done in the past, if you heat it to 727 degrees C and quench in oil or brine you should be fine.
 
I make firing pins out of common nails and spikes. I have made many over the years, never had one break or bend. Most firing pins break because they are too hard. Nails and spikes are very tough otherwise you would not be able to drive them into hard wood without bending.
 
I make firing pins out of tool steel - I sometimes use old drill bits that have been annealed.
After shaping and fitting I used Kasenit to case harden them.
They seem to be as good as the original.

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Make it hot enough, make it cold, make it hot again, make it cold again. :D That's the basics.

I need laymens terms...

OK. Heat Treating. Anything that you do to metal with heat, is heat treating. Anything that changes it's hardness, anyway.

Hardening, is as it sounds, making metal hard, using heat (and, usually, cold). Usually makes it brittle too.

Tempering, is taking a hard bit of metal, and making it softer than it is, but not as soft as it can be. Makes the part able to withstand some impacts, not snap in half if dropped on the shop floor, sorta thing.

Annealing, is tempering gone wrong, or a goal, sometimes. It makes the metal as soft as it can be. In carbon steel, it is done by heating it up near hardening temperatures, then cooling very slowly, like, overnight, in the woodstove.

I have tried to make several firing pins for different guns...they all work but very quickly mush-squish-bend
Material? Salvage of unknown origins? I've met guys that used all sorts of salvaged sources, ranging from old chevy springs, to valve stems (car or truck engine valves). Guys have better luck starting out with something they know what it is. Try ordering some drill rod from a tool supply house, like KBC Tools or that type place. It is available in Oil, Air, or Water hardening types, and at various carbon levels. The high or medium, plain carbon steel is probably the best bet, as it hardens by heating it to a temperature higher than magnetic (it wont stick to a magnet at red heat or so) and hardens nicely in water. Color charts for tempering carbon steels are all over the web as well.

It goes like this. Make the part from your material. Harden by heating to above magnetic temperature, and plonk it into a tin if water. Test with a file. The file should skate off the surface. It's as hard as it gets.
Clean the scale off the part, and slowly apply heat to the whole works and watch the color change. It starts out at a gold or straw color, and progresses through blue or purple then goes Grey. When the part is at the color (thus the tempering temperature has been achieved) plonk it back into the tin of water. It is now pretty close to a predicted hardness.

You can use pure soap on the part to stop scale from forming, or use an anti scale compound.

A soak in a jar of vinegar with as much salt as will dissolve in it, will clean off scale without a lot of effort. Make sure the part is completely submerged! Or a massive rust line occurs at the juncture of the salt/vinegar/air. Works good for rust removal, too.


I have a small torch and can heat stuff till it melts

Carbon steel. Good enough for JM Browning!

Quenching?.....oil?....water?...brine?

Per whatever material you end up using.

And that is not even starting on heat treating! But it'll get you by, if you sort out what hardness you need for your application.
Some, anyways.

Cheers
Trev
 
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