Heaviest .270 Bullet ?

[Boomer]

Noel, I also recall that there was a 180 gr Barnes Original in .270.

Barnes bullets go back a long way, and I am pretty sure the "original" were made in 30 calibre only.

Bruce, I'm not sure which calibers the Barnes Originals came in, and it is most likely to have started with a .30 caliber version. I do recall the 180 gr .270, and I have a box of 175 gr 7mm in front of me. I was thinking all of the Originals were round nose, but these 7mms are spitzers. The label on the box indicates a jacket of .032", so I think at one time you also had a choice of jacket thickness in some bullet weights. Sadly all of my old books went in the house fire I had back in 2000, so much of my old reference material is gone forever.

 

[H4831]

Mike, I think you people are referring to a type of early Barnes bullets that he called, "original."
I used the term as meaning his first production. I took it that the ones I referred to, bought in circa 1947, to be teh first bullets Fred Barnes produced. Going from memory, I thought that was the way O'Connor advertised them--new company, new custom bullets.
It seemed pretty unique, making them from copper tubing, just like you could buy in the hardware store.
Here is a picture of three of the bullets referred to, made by Barnes in the 1946/47 era.
I pulled the bottom one from a loaded round, to see how much 4350 my brother had put in them, back then. The cartridge has been in the magazine when another was fired, judging by the damaged tip.

 

[Why not?]

Well, since we are posting pictures of old bullets, here's the Barnes 195 gr 7mm semi spitzer!

They are over an inch and a quarter long. Anyone care to guess what rifle and twist they shoot great in?


You can clearly see it was made from tubing by the little hole in the base of each bullet.

Ted

 

[Eagleye]

Well Ted, according to the greenhill formula, if they are 1.3125" long, it will take a 9" twist to stabilize them. I would think that a 9¼ twist would be OK. That means a Remy 700 in 7 mag will probably work fine. Regards, Eagleye

 

[Tumbleweed]

...and my last box of Barnes Originals .338, 300 gr., 1.438 long.

I'm not sure if you shoot them or launch them...but you could probably use a sundial in place of a chronograph. You can clearly see the 'bellybutton' where they swaged the tubing shut on the back end.

 

[H4831]

When all else fails you go to Google.
Just found out that Fred Barnes started making bullets in 1932!
All such operations were shut down during war time, so I suppose the ones I have were made, maybe shortly after start up after the war. And Jack O'Connor saw fit to give him a sales boost.
And Ted, it also says his early bullets, which had a great reputation for deep penetration and killing power, were often heavy for calibre, like 195 grain 7mm.

 

[Amphibious]

Yeah, thats them, the Semi-Spitzer. I shot my last moose with them. Imperial factory load, chrony'd at 2350fps! one shot and the moose dropped (spiker) recovered the bullet, very nice mushroom.

 

[SuperCub]

Hawk sells 180s in .277".

http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm


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[PeterPan]

I will look at the barrel twist and velocity before determining which bullet.
Factory rifle in 270Win work very well with 130-150gr.

 

[Why not?]

Well Ted, according to the greenhill formula, if they are 1.3125" long, it will take a 9" twist to stabilize them. I would think that a 9¼ twist would be OK. That means a Remy 700 in 7 mag will probably work fine. Regards, Eagleye

They are a bit longer than that.

 

[Why not?]

.....And Ted, it also says his early bullets, which had a great reputation for deep penetration and killing power, were often heavy for calibre, like 195 grain 7mm.

The 195 gr 7mm will shoot end to end on our big AK-Yukon moose!

 

[dan belisle]

I tried those 195's in a 7 STW with a 1-9 twist, they weren't too accurate in that particular barrel. Probably should have had a tighter twist on it. - dan

 

[skma]

180 gr'ers

Yes they did, I still have some laying around somewhere. I used them in a 270 Wby for a while. Worked pretty well, actually. - dan

yes indeed i have a box of 180's fr barnes and a 270wby but no load info
any sugestions would b greatly appreciated

 

[Noel]

When all else fails you go to Google.
Just found out that Fred Barnes started making bullets in 1932!
All such operations were shut down during war time, so I suppose the ones I have were made, maybe shortly after start up after the war. And Jack O'Connor saw fit to give him a sales boost.
And Ted, it also says his early bullets, which had a great reputation for deep penetration and killing power, were often heavy for calibre, like 195 grain 7mm.

Yup, I figured there was more selection than just 30cal. I had some 300gr 338 FMJs but never did get to try them. I think they ended up in your neck of the woods Ted. Too bad Mr.Barnes hadn't started making bullets 15 or 20 years sooner. Just think how well the Newtons and 9,3x64 Brenneke type cartridges would be doing today if they had been fed properly.

 

[dan belisle]

yes indeed i have a box of 180's fr barnes and a 270wby but no load info
any sugestions would b greatly appreciated

I'm a couple of continents away from my load data, but if you PM me around Xmas I'll be in-country and can look it up. I really have to digitize all this stuff and take it with me. - dan

 

[1899]

yes indeed i have a box of 180's fr barnes and a 270wby but no load info
any sugestions would b greatly appreciated

MAX loads from Barnes #1 for the .270 WEATHERBY

H4831 62.5 2737fps

H4350 57.0 2663fps

IMR4831 59.0 2677fps

IMR7828 63.5 2750fps

RL22 61.0 2707fps

remember these are maximum loads so start 10% lower and work your way up!!