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Mother in law has a heavy barrel
no4 mk2(F)
5/50 PF 20###x
I xd out the serial as it is not mine. It is sporterd, 1960s early 70s purchased at army and navy in seven islands. Job was nicely done but is it anything special? It is considered an heirloom, and unless my wife gets it, I will never posses it.

top rifle is the No 4, barrel length 23 7/8 in from back of chamber
bottom is my No1 MkIII * barrel length 25 3/8 from back of chamber
significant difference in barrel circumference

also has this screw/bolt where there should be a pin
there is only faint marks of what ever was stamped on the wrist under the bolt. i imagine it was ground off and reblued.
there is a broad arrow on the high side(left) beside the No designation
as stated below, there is an H stamped just off the flat of the barrel.
this could all be normal, i am a relative neophyte with enfields and almost all my experience is with No 1s, and No 5s
 
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Sounds like you married into a good family. Tell your mother-in-law she's our kind of people, and include pictures of her shooting it, if possible.

One of my no.4Mk.2s is sportered and has that slimming at the end of the barrel where the original foresight, without the guard, is mounted. It is chopped just in front of that so no more bayonet lugs. :(



 
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Looks exactly like pic posted on this thread. I figured the barrel was cut, because its 2 inch shorter than my shtle. It has an H stamped just off the flat of the barrel as well, and an S a little further down. Has BNP stamps as well. Barrel has no discernible serial. It may be under the fore stock.
 
infideleggwelder said:
Looks exactly like pic posted on this thread. I figured the barrel was cut, because its 2 inch shorter than my shtle. It has an H stamped just off the flat of the barrel as well, and an S a little further down. Has BNP stamps as well. Barrel has no discernible serial. It may be under the fore stock.
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That taper is normal for a No4, its where the front sight and bayonet lugs end up. The No 4 barrel is generally thicker than the SMLE (No1MkIII*). Picture would help.
 
"...figured the barrel was cut..." Originally 24" with bayonet lugs. Anything else is cut or otherwise replaced.
"...BNP stamps..." Those are just export stamps required by the Brits on any surplus rifle sold out of England. Nothing to do with the military. Barrels have no S/N. Bolt and receiver only.
 
sunray said:
"...figured the barrel was cut..." Originally 24" with bayonet lugs. Anything else is cut or otherwise replaced.
"...BNP stamps..." Those are just export stamps required by the Brits on any surplus rifle sold out of England. Nothing to do with the military. Barrels have no S/N. Bolt and receiver only.
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They are NOT export stamps, they are British proof Marks. Any weapon traded in the UK, whether ex-military or not, whether to be exported or not, is required by law to be proofed by either the London or Birmingham Proof House.

Regards
TonyE
 
sunray said:
"...figured the barrel was cut..." Originally 24" with bayonet lugs. Anything else is cut or otherwise replaced.
"...BNP stamps..." Those are just export stamps required by the Brits on any surplus rifle sold out of England. Nothing to do with the military. Barrels have no S/N. Bolt and receiver only.
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"...originally 24" with bayonet lugs..." Please take the time to measure a barrel.
"...Barrels have no S/N..." Some do, some don't. Earlier No. 4 do have the receiver S/N on the barrel.
 
Yes it does, made by Fazerkly in May 1950, sporterized rifle. Looks like a standard weight barrel, cut to approx 22". The screw on the sie of the stock is because of the way the trigger is attached on the reciver instead of the trigger guard giving it a more consistant pull.
 
As far as value is concerned, unfortunately due to the cut barrel, collectors will generally steer clear, but it can still be a very accurate and light weight hunting rifle.
If you end up with it, use it! These are handy rifles that shoot very well.
 
sunray said:
"...figured the barrel was cut..." Originally 24" with bayonet lugs. Anything else is cut or otherwise replaced.
"...BNP stamps..." Those are just export stamps required by the Brits on any surplus rifle sold out of England. Nothing to do with the military. Barrels have no S/N. Bolt and receiver only.
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spewing mis-information
 
The broad arrow is a War Department (as it then was, now Ministry of Defence) acceptance mark that has been in use on British weapons and equipment for centuries. Canada had an equivalent, the arrow inside a C.

My other No.4Mk.2 escaped Bubba. It is hard to get my tape measure right into the foresight block because it is a little wide and the foresight guard interferes, but I make one and seven/eights inches of barrel in front of the front of the foresight block, with the bayonet lugs starting approx. half an inch in front of the foresight block.
 
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OP, what you're calling a "heavy barrel" when compared to the SMLE below it in your photo, is just a standard weight No4 barrel. They are heavier than the SMLE barrel of course.
 
It`s just a big difference, makes one wonder is all.
mother in law says its quite comfortable to shoot, but she hasn`t used it in years.
i`ve cleaned it, very possibly has not been cleaned in 30 yrs, and trigger group was full of cosmo. will probably put a few rounds thru it, then clean and oil it again, then lock it back up. sigh.
( i will, however, sight it in for me) haha
 
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