heavy M14 trigger
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not just any gunsmith, but one who understands garand/m14 triggers- it's far too easy to relieve the wrong spot and end up with something that doesn't work, or goes off full auto- - spec is something like 4-5 pounds anyway, if you're going to pass the ig inspection, so it's going to feel heavy compared to your hunting rifles that break at 3 or 4
Please note. My post above was not to suggest tuning the trigger yourself.
You may simply work on the trigger by doing dry fire to help smoothen it, but do not(as others mentioned) re-profile anything yourself and more specifically use the services of a smith familiar with M14s and M1 Garands.
Assuming your trigger is properly functioning, the trigger springs from Wolff or SEI can be used.
You may simply work on the trigger by doing dry fire to help smoothen it, but do not(as others mentioned) re-profile anything yourself and more specifically use the services of a smith familiar with M14s and M1 Garands.
Assuming your trigger is properly functioning, the trigger springs from Wolff or SEI can be used.
the m14 trigger should never be set below 5.5 lbs. National Match armourer tuned military sniper rifles are tuned to no less than 4.5 and this is not recommended for "sporting" rifles of the m14 type.
I work on all my own triggers and have mine set to 5.5 lbs.... and as mentioned above, you have to know exactly where to tune to achieve specific results. Not something i can explain either. DO NOT rush out and buy a trigger job video from ebay
, though that video is o.k. .... the methods described there in are not quite the correct approach.
I don't believe a simple spring swap will significantly alter the norc triggers feel or function. The spring in every one i've taken apart is bang on milspec dimension. just my opinion on that one, ymmv.
as far as what a "knowledged in m14 triggers" gunsmith would charge..... figure on a couple hours of his time anyhow.....
I work on all my own triggers and have mine set to 5.5 lbs.... and as mentioned above, you have to know exactly where to tune to achieve specific results. Not something i can explain either. DO NOT rush out and buy a trigger job video from ebay
, though that video is o.k. .... the methods described there in are not quite the correct approach.I don't believe a simple spring swap will significantly alter the norc triggers feel or function. The spring in every one i've taken apart is bang on milspec dimension. just my opinion on that one, ymmv.
as far as what a "knowledged in m14 triggers"
gunsmith would charge..... figure on a couple hours of his time anyhow.....just for fun i pulled my manual tm9-1005-223-35( the technical manual for the 14) page 12- it shows min of 4.5 pounds, max of 7.5 lbs- remember , this is a battle rifle, and is only supposed to go boom when YOU want it- hence, the HEAVY trigger- my isreali ones have probably been worked on 'cause i know they break sigificantly lighter than the norc- right around 5 lbs- think the norc is closer to 6- and i've seen a "trigger job" on a garand, first clip( and i don't mean mag) went ok then the sear broke and the next clip went off pdq- turned out he had "annealed" the sear
There is a after market adjustable trigger. SAI sells them as M25 trigger units and are adjustable to 1.5-4.75 lbs. Wolverine has them listed for 430$
My SAI Loaded came with one adjusted to 4.5-5lb (don't got a trigger pull tester to check what it is exactly) And I know I wouldn't want it much lower then that myself.
Dimitri
My SAI Loaded came with one adjusted to 4.5-5lb (don't got a trigger pull tester to check what it is exactly) And I know I wouldn't want it much lower then that myself.
Dimitri
imbane:
Do this first before you start plunking down money that you will never recover upon resale....
Watch yer favorite playoff game with your trigger group in one hand. Take a syringe of grease and apply the lube to the hammer hooks, I show this technique in my clinics.
Then with your opposite thumb over the hammer (don't allow the hammer to strike forward) and your master trigger finger working the trigger, FIRE and re-#### that hammer repeatedly.
Keep doing this throughout all 3 periods of the hockey game. This technique will SMOOTH up your sear and hammer sear engagements (and it's safe to do yourself). CHEAP, too.
I'm trying to save you guys a shztload of money.
If you've got money to burn then buy a krapload of practice ammo and work on your position shooting!! Or better yet, learn to shoot a Service Rifle match at your local Provincial Rifle Association.
FORGET trying to lighten up the trigger (heat treating is too shallow, and it costs money, the negative results are disastrous).
Peace be to journey
Barney
Do this first before you start plunking down money that you will never recover upon resale....
Watch yer favorite playoff game with your trigger group in one hand. Take a syringe of grease and apply the lube to the hammer hooks, I show this technique in my clinics.
Then with your opposite thumb over the hammer (don't allow the hammer to strike forward) and your master trigger finger working the trigger, FIRE and re-#### that hammer repeatedly.
Keep doing this throughout all 3 periods of the hockey game. This technique will SMOOTH up your sear and hammer sear engagements (and it's safe to do yourself). CHEAP, too.
I'm trying to save you guys a shztload of money.
If you've got money to burn then buy a krapload of practice ammo and work on your position shooting!! Or better yet, learn to shoot a Service Rifle match at your local Provincial Rifle Association.
FORGET trying to lighten up the trigger (heat treating is too shallow, and it costs money, the negative results are disastrous).
Peace be to journey
Barney
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My Norc's stock trigger breaks cleanly and lightly. I can't imagine why anyone would want it lighter... unless we are talking about super-long range shooting with high-power optics. But the M-14 was never intended for that kind of thing.
Actually my friend sells a video on Ebay for making the M14 trigger two stage and crisp breaking. He did tons of research before he made the video and after several hundred rounds in his rifle I've never seen it go full auto on him or have one bad trigger pull afterwards. In the video he stresses what not to do and so far he has received very little bad feedback from it, in fact, just the opposite is true.
I'm not saying everyone should start filing away, in fact I'm a little nervous about doing it myself, but on the other hand his success can't be argued with either. If the advice from Hungry doesn't work you may consider going with some work if you feel you can be gradual enough with your work.
Just my opinion.
I'm not saying everyone should start filing away, in fact I'm a little nervous about doing it myself, but on the other hand his success can't be argued with either. If the advice from Hungry doesn't work you may consider going with some work if you feel you can be gradual enough with your work.
Just my opinion.
i have your friend's dvd from ebay
while i will admit, it is an excellent source of reference..... he did an impressive job on putting that together. I would recommend it for one reason and that is his clear explanations and demonstrations of function, takedown and re assembly. As far as the actual tools he shows for use in tuning of the hammer hook/sear disconnector engagement surfaces..... no files or stones higher than ### fine go anywhere near my trigger parts. other than that, as i say that dvd is an excellent source of reference material for understanding your trigger group function.
while i will admit, it is an excellent source of reference..... he did an impressive job on putting that together. I would recommend it for one reason and that is his clear explanations and demonstrations of function, takedown and re assembly. As far as the actual tools he shows for use in tuning of the hammer hook/sear disconnector engagement surfaces..... no files or stones higher than ### fine go anywhere near my trigger parts. other than that, as i say that dvd is an excellent source of reference material for understanding your trigger group function.
LOOK AT MY POST- that's within tolerance- 4.5 MINIMUM-7.5 MAXIMUM-remeber these are BATTLE rifles, not hunting, so heavy triggers are the norm-so are hard-to-flick-off safeties, and a bunch of other things- designed with the nimrod in mind, the m14 is the ideal battle weapon( to quote an old top of mine)
