Heckler & Koch P2000 9mm (SA/DA)

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My local shop, Reliable Gun & Tackle, got some P2000's in recently. I started checking it out and was really impressed with it. It seemed to address the concerns I had with my USP 9mm, which I felt were: (1) too big for a 9mm pistol, (2) front heavy, (3) grip is too thick front to back for my hand, and too "square" shaped, (4) stock sights are too high off the top deck for my preference, particularly the front sight. I was also somewhat dismayed to learn that I could shoot my SIG P229 noticably better than my USP or other bigger guns (and believe me, I really badly wanted to love the USP - it just wasn't quite right for me). The P2000 is sort of the 229 of the HK world (in a rough sense, cut me some slack here) the dimensions are very similar as you can see below, so I thought I would give the P2000 a try. I don't want to bag on the USP, it is a good gun, it's just too big for me to grip properly. I felt like I was adjusting my grip on it too much when I shot. The P2000 feels a lot better in my hand.

Anyway, long story short - I decided to trade my USP 9mm in on a P2000 9mm SA/DA. I've put together a ton of pictures so far. I'm taking it out to the range for the first time tomorrow (April 12) and will post more pics, and pics of targets. I will post some shots of what it looks like on the inside as well. I can tell you that it looks like a miniaturized USP. For right now, have a look at these pics. The holster is a Safariland 6280 that I got with a bunch gear I bought from the States. I tried to give it away for $30 in the EE. As fate would have, now I have the gun for it and I'm definitely keeping it. The two other guns are my SIG P229R and my HK PSP. I'll write more about the P2000 as I start using it.

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Thanks for the good demonstrative pictures. It's nice to see a size comparison like that. I just got my name in for a PSP ... I'm adverse to those Canadian legal extended barrel atrocities ... but that P2000 definetly looks like a nice compact pistol. I'll probably end up with a few extended barrel pistols, in time, because I could see myself getting a P2000, and certainly a Glock 26. I know each one I get my hands on will make me want to move to the USA more and more.

Out of curiousity, do you know what the standard magazine capacity for the P2000 is? More than 10, I assume.
 
The "high-cap" mags are 13 in 9mm and 12 in .40S&W/.357SIG. Which doesn't make much difference for you or me because unless those mags are the property of, and were issued to you by, a police or government agency... being in possession of them sends you to jail and ruins your life :( (I wish I could have them too though... for all my guns... except my PSP I guess).

On the barrel issue, looking at pictures people seem to have a hard time getting over that. Handling the gun in person, I find it to be a non-issue. The P2000's coming into Canada are great looking guns. You certainly don't notice any difference shooting the gun. The reality with extended barrels is that none of us will ever be able to buy a P2000 or most of the popular guns on the U.S. market (P2000, P30, SIG P229, SIG Pro, GLOCK 19/23/26/27, etc., any new handgun made by Steyr, Walther P99 in 9mm, any XD other than the "tactical" models with the enormous 5 inch barrels, Beretta Px4, etc., etc., etc.) unless it has an extended barrel. 12.6 is not saving anybody anymore, because pre-1995 guns are... well, old guns. The trend, especially in 9mm guns, is toward compact guns on the scale of a GLOCK 19. Big 9mm pistols like the Beretta 92 series have been on the way out for a long time. We can either accept that all the "cool" new guns are going to have to have barrels that extend past the slide a bit, or we can sell all our guns and take up something else, or move to a foreign county. I own or have owned many guns with barrels that extend out past the front of the slide. I don't see it as the end of the world personally. I'm into shooting guns.
 
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I took the P2000 out to the range today. Below are some of the groups I was able to put up with it. Overall I was quite impressed with it. I am showing a tendancy to shoot low and left, so clearly it is going to take some adjustment to the HK trigger, but overall this is good for a first time out.

From 15 yards/metres or whatever (target stand was on "the log" for you PoCo shooters):
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That 1 and 3/8 at 15 yards is not exactly shabby!

I shot a bunch at around 12 yards/metres as well (about three paces forward of the log):
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That 5-shot 3/4 inch group is pretty crazy. I was telling one of the ROs that it was probably more fluke than anything... he wasn't so sure. He may be right as I actually shot another similar one a little later:
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Well... not exactly bragging here, because myself and a lot of other people can out-shoot these results with some other guns... but this is still some really nice encouraging results for my firs time with this gun. I can shoot 229 better than 226, GLOCK 19 better than 17, and now I will have to conclude that I can shoot P2000 better than USP. I'm not saying the bigger guns are not as good... they are damn near identical copies (albeit on a larger scale), but for myself... I clearly do better with the smaller guns.

I'm going to put up some Youtube video and some pics of the internals on the P2000 for those that are interested.
 
Here are some shots of the internals. USP owners will notice a major family resemblance. The main differences seem to be the decocker, buffer instead of the "recoil reduction system", and the slide stop lever on the right (as well as left) side:

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First, let me say that it would have been great if you could have posted a few pictures... ;)

Second, I'm not sure I care for the looks. The grip and back of the frame are a little boring. Did you already add some grip tape or did that come that way?

How do you like the mag release on the back of the trigger guard?

That's a decocker on the back of the slide near the hammer? Do you just push on it straight in or do you push/slide it down?

Full non-high capacity 10 round metal magazines without the common large plastic base is nice.

I'll take a look at one next time I am in at Reliable Gun.


Fudd
 
Not to steal the spotlite here. .
A close friend f mine bought one of these
a while back and we finallly had time to test
drive it on the weekend. This is what I found;
- Nice Grip! I have smaller hands so this pistol
positioned itself very well in my palm. Prolly one
of the most comfortable grips I've felt if not
the most. Small hand tho, remember. . .
- Pointability was good but with quite 'snappy'
recoil. Almost like a G17, but still came back onto target
just as quick.
- DA pull is L O N G . smooth, consistant and not too heavy, but long.
- SA is crisp, breaks nice. I found the re-set to be a little stretched
out tho. More travel than what I was expecting.
- Mag release on back of trigger guard is fine, ambi. I shoot left
and adapted with in mins.
- And the decocker. . . , works great, but they could have put it on the
slide next to the front sight and it would be just as handy.
Now I shoot left so it was a COMPLETE grip breaker for me to activate.
However the righty folk didn't seem to struggle that bad. It's just a lite
push of the thumb and the hammer falls. The 'button' itself is a bit on the wee side but overall it should be in a better location.
- I haven't shot anything quite like this gun before, it was different
in many ways than what I'm used too, but I liked it enough that I found myself saying 'I could get udsed to this'. And I believe anyone could.

My 2 cents
 
While your description is accurate, it is by no means unique to the P2000: in fact, it's very much like the P99, among other pistols...

The HK is just pure ###, though. :D
 
Soli said:
While your description is accurate, it is by no means unique to the P2000: in fact, it's very much like the P99, among other pistols...

The HK is just pure ###, though. :D
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I was about to say, looks like they transformed a USP into the P99 but with a frame-mounted de-cocker.
 
ElmerFudd said:
First, let me say that it would have been great if you could have posted a few pictures... ;)

Second, I'm not sure I care for the looks. The grip and back of the frame are a little boring. Did you already add some grip tape or did that come that way?

How do you like the mag release on the back of the trigger guard?

That's a decocker on the back of the slide near the hammer? Do you just push on it straight in or do you push/slide it down?

Full non-high capacity 10 round metal magazines without the common large plastic base is nice.

I'll take a look at one next time I am in at Reliable Gun.


Fudd
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No grip tape. The whole gun is bone stock as of now.

I had the USP, P99 and P22 before with this kind of mag release. It is o.k. I think the way SIG has their mag releases is closest to my preference, but this works fine.

The decocker on the back is pretty much a "down and in" motion, or think of it as pressing the lower edge of the button toward the frame of the gun. This seems to be the way of the future for HK. All the P2000/P30 guns, SA/DA anyway, (except the HK45 I think) have this system. Whether it is any better than having the decocker on the side of the frame I don't know. This new way is easy to use though. It removes the issue of whether to ride the decocker or to snug your thumb up underneath it (on the USP). I think I actually prefer not having the decocker on the side of the gun. I'll let you know in 6 months if I still hold that view.

The mags seem nicer than the USP mags - especially if you don't like all plastic mags ala GLOCK and USP. I actually want to find some more mags, and some with the finger groove baseplates. I know from my heavy use of the P22 in the past that it really makes no difference which one you have if you are shooting two handed, but I would like to try out the other style of baseplate. If anybody has any ideas on who to call about buy P2000 10 rounds mags with either baseplate, let me know. Brownells doesn't seem to have them. Maybe Wolverine?

Reliable Gun is now out of P2000s. They will likely get more though. The first batch didn't last long.
 
Wolverine has them but the dust cover lacks the rails & extended barrel??? is it the same gun??

Edited: actually one pic has a rail the other 2 don't. Is it modular??
 
I would strongly suggest trying the LEM trigger before buying any gun with that system.

I wanted the SA/DA gun with decocker. The trigger on that model is very, very similar to the USP trigger. If you can shoot well with your standard USP you'll be good to go with the SA/DA P2000. If you've been shooting double action revolvers - or whatever -and you can keep your gun steady through a longer, heavier trigger pull - and you absolutely need every shot to be the same trigger pull - look into the LEM. Even very experienced shooters - at least the ones I have spoken with - cannot get the same accuracy with the HK LEM or the SIG DAK as they can with the guns that will fire in single action. A VPD officer told me that it took him quite awhile to get his scores to something that was acceptable to him after they switched to DAK. Be prepared for that kind of adjustment period if you get a LEM or DAK. You can also read all about it on the U.S. boards, where LEM guns are vastly more common than the tiny number of them we have in this country.

Just my 2 cents. Buy a LEM if you want to. They aren't "better" though. They are a different gun for a different application. They cannot be shot as accurately as a single action gun, but they have certain advantages for police and CCW applications.
 
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