Help?? AR15 vs ACR vs SwissArms

I must have completely missed the memo.

ACR's?! Who in Canada is selling them, and is there a wait list??

As to the OP, I would go the non restricted route. If you have money to burn of course ;)
 
For a semi-auto .223 to win in Canada it should do everything a quality AR can do and be non-restricted.

Therefore, it must take LAR-15 mags, be reliable, of moderate weight, and shoot an inch without winning the reloading olympics. I'm hoping that the non-restricted ACR with Questar's match barrel will achieve this.

For me the Tavor falls's down in the accuracy department, the SA in the LAR-15 and weight department, and the XCR in the reliability and accuracy department.

I'll know when mine gets here next week.
 
#### Proenneke said:
For me the Tavor falls's down in the accuracy department
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Hmmm....I recently had mine out to 600m and can say they will hold the line with other rifles of similar accuracy potential, the typical AR included.
If someone was to invest some time and energy fixing the abortion of a trigger (ala RFB) and market a slightly heavier profile match-grade barrel (ala Rock Creek, Kreiger, etc.) these things would be right up there. I think the Mepro was leaving a bad taste in a lot of folks mouths, but the Tavor is pretty decent overall.
 
One more thing to consider about the swiss arms... First off I wanted one. Until I shot it that is. Excellent rifle but, a little on the heavy side and no stock forward rails for accessories. That I could have let go. After all you can get a quadrail for the front even if it is even more heavy. But, the thing destroys brass. Not only does it dent the side of the case but, also dents in the neck pretty bad. People say it comes out in the dies but, its still stressing the brass excessively and the dent in the side actually cuts into the brass a little. People put pads on the reciever to minimize the denting but come on. You would think the engineers of a $3000 firearm could make it not brutalize brass. Even if it was designed for combat. So was the AR and it spits brass out just fine. I reload all my ammo and that really bothered me along with the other problems so I decided on something else.
 
I think Epoxy7 makes a good point. for the price of an acr or swiss arms you can have 3 or 4 other rifles. XCR is also a good option for a more reasonable price. If I had lots of money to do what I wanted, swiss arms. However for half the price it`s possible to get an AR AND a cz58, two classic rifles. If you LOVE the ACR, Swiss arms, Tavor or XCR, it`ll be worth it. If you`re just looking for a sweet rifle (or two)I don`t think you need to spend 3 grand to get it.
 
Tachead said:
and no stock forward rails for accessories.
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Honestly, what do you put on forward or quad rails?


Tachead said:
... But, the thing destroys brass. Not only does it dent the side of the case but, also dents in the neck pretty bad.
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There is a work around for that. You can either adjust the ejector or add on a case deflector. Either way, it's primary function is to eject brass reliably - which it does with aplomb.;)
 
blaxsun said:
Light, vertical grip, laser, etc. Same thing you always do. :D
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Exactly. Minus the laser. I prefer a verticle foregrip on my assault rifles. Especially for three gun matches and such. And the light is good for night shoots then I take it off for the weight savings. Laser I dont use except for fun maybe or trigger control drills on a handgun.
 
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beltfed said:
Honestly, what do you put on forward or quad rails?




There is a work around for that. You can either adjust the ejector or add on a case deflector. Either way, it's primary function is to eject brass reliably - which it does with aplomb.;)
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There may be but, I dont think any work should be required on a $3000 dollar rifle. Plus, saving brass so I can shoot more for less money is my secondary function.
 
blaxsun said:
Quality: Swiss Arms - AR15 (tie), ACR
* This one is a bit of an unknown, but a premium AR is easily on par or
superior to a Swiss Arms. The ACR is still relatively new, but it's largely a
Magpul design so you have the durable/ruggedness aspect - and the barrel
from Questar is match-grade.
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Sorry, just wondering here, but when you say premium AR, are you referring to something in the LMT/Stag price range ($1500-$2000 here), or KAC/H&K price range (approximately $3000)?
 
AR15 provides the best balance among performance, cost and weight.

ACR is a Bushmaster XCR. I will wait til Remington version becomes available after they figure a way to trim some fat off the system.

Swiss arms is heavy and it is an optic mounting nightmare - 90% of the mounting solution in the NA market is developed for the AR15. They are very high quality and good looking tool, but it is not necessarily the tool you want to carry all the time.

If you are willing to up your price tag to over 3000, I will consider spending 2K+ for a high end AR and use the spare money for a good optic system.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Sorry, just wondering here, but when you say premium AR, are you referring to something in the LMT/Stag price range ($1500-$2000 here), or KAC/H&K price range (approximately $3000)?
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Knight, H&K, Noveske, LWRC - that group.

greentips said:
ACR is a Bushmaster XCR. I will wait til Remington version becomes available after they figure a way to trim some fat off the system.
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Oh GT, you did not just say that...! Most of the ACR is Magpul (pretty sure all the polymers on either produced or licensed from Magpul). The barrel is being replaced, so for the few remaining Bushmaster parts... meh, I can live with it. And it doesn't come with a lifetime supply of loctite, so I'm set! ;)
 
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