help educate me on the nuances of the tavor vs xcr-l/xcr-m
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I only have experience with the new XCR-L Keymod version. Full review on the link below:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1175053-Fantastic-Customer-XCR-L-Review
Never shot the Tavor before, but they look awesome too if you are into bullpups.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1175053-Fantastic-Customer-XCR-L-Review
Never shot the Tavor before, but they look awesome too if you are into bullpups.
The L is all the calibers that basically go in an AR magwell. 5.56, 300 Blackout, 7.62x39 etc.
The M is the calibers that go in the .308 magwell
Other than that, it is pretty much the same rifle as far as I am aware. The L is the "light rifle" and the M is their "battle rifle" with a heavy barrel etc.. Same thing different calibers.
You can get , both light and heavy barrel in the L model. Also they come in 1/7 1/8 1/9 twist. Take down for cleaning is a breeze, I have about 1200 rnds through mine and have cleaned it but for some reason it wasn't very dirty. ( barely any carbon at all). I can get 1 Moa with 53 g vmax factory rnds and with my 53g vmax , cfe223 hand loads .
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The L stands for Large and M stands for Medium, because the L's 223 round is larger than the M's 308 round, and the L rifle is bigger than the M rifle.
Just kidding. I have no idea why they use L and M. Makes no sense to me and appears entirely arbitrary.
I can answer this: the XCR-L has the best ergonomics in the industry. However the non restricted version is front heavy compared with the Tavor. The Tavor's benefit is that the non-restricted version is shorter, and less front heavy, and is battle proven.
The Desert Tech MDR, if it ever gets here, will be better than both, except for the fact that it isn't battle proven. The X95 will be ergonomically less optimal than the MDR (because the bolt release catch is behind the magazine instead of near the trigger like the XCR/MDR), but I think will be the best of all 4 due to reliability and being battle proven.
The Desert Tech MDR, if it ever gets here, will be better than both, except for the fact that it isn't battle proven. The X95 will be ergonomically less optimal than the MDR (because the bolt release catch is behind the magazine instead of near the trigger like the XCR/MDR), but I think will be the best of all 4 due to reliability and being battle proven.
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Sounds like someone's spent some time with Alex Robinson
He'll happily tell people that his rifle is the greatest thing ever made.I don't agree with your evaluation of the X95 though. The rear bolt release fits with the rear magazine well. When you insert a new mag, you hit the bolt release in the same action. Any current Tavor shooter does this.
The XCR has gone through many revisions. Lots of the early criticisms were addressed by those later updates.
Before you throw down your money: you should at least shoulder each of the guns. If you can borrow one and put a few magazines through each, that's even better.
I kind of agree with that. I know the XCR-L keymod is a great rifle (in my opinion) since I own one and love shooting it. What I have read about the Tavor (never shot one) is also very very good. So I guess it boils down to whether you like a Bullpup or "SCAR/AR -Type" rifle. Both seem more than up to the task.
Robinson Arms have a track record of screwing over their customers (ask any M-96 owners), the owner is a major #### and the XCR is overpriced by at least $1000.00. At the same time, any rifle that you need to buy red loctite to keep from losing parts and have to shoot several hundred rounds through before you can expect something approaching reliability is ridiculous. By comparison, all that my Swiss Arms or Tavor required was to degrease the factory preservative, re-oil and go shoot the hell out of them. No loctite, no worries about parts falling off and 100% reliability using the broad mix of surplus, commercial and handloads fed them.
All black NR rifles are overpriced. I've got 1200 or so rnds through mine ( I got it oct 2014). No fte/ ftf , no lock tite except on the accessory mounts. Maybe I got lucky
Same experience for me
XCR-L = Light
XCR-M = Medium
Both are fine rifles. I have one of each, both quad rail heavy barrel models. Newer models have worked out the bugs as most have said. Wolverine Supplies is the exclusive importer and can handle any warranty claims, and are very good at it.
The XCR will appeal to those looking for a "traditional" rifle and has a lot more "Rail Estate" (tm) versus the Tavor. Accuracy of either is said to be comparable; 2-3 MOA average.
I have not had an opportunity to own, use, or fire the Tavor but I love my XCRs, especially the -M. I do find it fairly heavy especially with the optic but I like that it feels substantial in your hands. I doubt a .308 AR (save perhaps for the DPMS GII) would be much lighter.
XCR-M = Medium
Both are fine rifles. I have one of each, both quad rail heavy barrel models. Newer models have worked out the bugs as most have said. Wolverine Supplies is the exclusive importer and can handle any warranty claims, and are very good at it.
The XCR will appeal to those looking for a "traditional" rifle and has a lot more "Rail Estate" (tm) versus the Tavor. Accuracy of either is said to be comparable; 2-3 MOA average.
I have not had an opportunity to own, use, or fire the Tavor but I love my XCRs, especially the -M. I do find it fairly heavy especially with the optic but I like that it feels substantial in your hands. I doubt a .308 AR (save perhaps for the DPMS GII) would be much lighter.
I own both a Tavor and an XCR-M. I have not had a single problem with either. The biggest difference IMHO(other than the overall design and of course caliber) is that the flat stock on the Tavor requires a severe cheek weld, at least for me. I have yet to figure out how I'm going to get an optic high enough off the rail without making it look stupid.
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Paul
Your choice should be easy;
-bull-pup or traditional
-small rifle or medium rifle cartridge
I've never fired a Tavor. I've shouldered one, but nothing more. It's a gun I want to dislike, only because I prefer a traditional rifle.
I'm still forming my opinion of my XCR. I've only fired 13,100 rounds through it.(sans thread lock) It's a little early for judgment.
-bull-pup or traditional
-small rifle or medium rifle cartridge
I've never fired a Tavor. I've shouldered one, but nothing more. It's a gun I want to dislike, only because I prefer a traditional rifle.
I'm still forming my opinion of my XCR. I've only fired 13,100 rounds through it.(sans thread lock) It's a little early for judgment.
Both are great guns, it just comes down to preference. Go hold and (if you can) shoot them both and see what you like best.
Whatever you choose it will be the right decision.
EDIT: one thing to add, if you don't hunt, and money for ammo is an issue (as it is for most of us except for caramel and Kevin M. ) I would avoid the XCR-M.
Whatever you choose it will be the right decision.
EDIT: one thing to add, if you don't hunt, and money for ammo is an issue (as it is for most of us except for caramel and Kevin M.
) I would avoid the XCR-M.
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Gear Head Works or Manticore both have nice solutions, I think that Midwest has one coming shortly too.
