Help ID'ing some items
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greyman441
CGN Regular
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- Wasaga Beach, ON
The bolt is out of a no4mrk1 lee enfield. Not sure of the rounds.
TOP round is SHOT; headstamp should tell you what size. They were for revolvers for bird-shooting, worked okay at close range but REALLY spread, often gave a donut-shaped pattern. You used to be able to get them in quite a few sizes: .38 S&W Long (which I think this might be), .44-40, .38-40, .45 Long Colt are the ones I have seen. This one is pushing 100 years old, so don't bang it off!
Pics 2 and 3 are a British-made bolt for the Number 4 Rifle, Mark 1 or 1* doesn't matter; there was no difference in the Bolts.
Pic 4 is an array of ammo in chargers. Top left is a Springfield 1903 charger with 5 rounds of original .30US M-1906, it looks like: white-jacketed bullet is made of cupronickel; all the later types (M-1, M-2) used copper-colored slugs, so this is early, likely War One stuff. Maker's name and date on the base. There is a charger there (far left) which is a British Mark II type, so early War One. Also chargers of Rounds and Brass both, likely War One, possibly as late as War Two. Check the rounds very carefully and give us the markings on the case-HEADS as well as a side elevation; could be xome nice Specials in there (looks so by the different Crimps: Ball Mk VII all was crimped halfway down the Neck)
Pic 5 is 2 rounds of .41 Swiss for the Swiss Vetterli rifles: rimfire, 10.35mm, paperpatch bullet. Goes $8 a round and up. You also have a 20mm projectile (HE) for the Hispano or Oerlikon cannon. Lots and lots of these released on the open market, unfilled and LOOKING very live, up into the 1960s. Some also had a Trace element in the base. Likely inert but don't toss it in the fire, just in case. Fuse assembly just unscrews for filling; you sometimes find them filled with a kind of sand and painted green. This one still is shiny and so likely factory-unfinished, surplus by the ton and now a hard-to-find little item.
BOLT is for a .22, but I don't know anything about them apart from Cooeys. Think this could be Savage.
Hope this helps.
Pics 2 and 3 are a British-made bolt for the Number 4 Rifle, Mark 1 or 1* doesn't matter; there was no difference in the Bolts.
Pic 4 is an array of ammo in chargers. Top left is a Springfield 1903 charger with 5 rounds of original .30US M-1906, it looks like: white-jacketed bullet is made of cupronickel; all the later types (M-1, M-2) used copper-colored slugs, so this is early, likely War One stuff. Maker's name and date on the base. There is a charger there (far left) which is a British Mark II type, so early War One. Also chargers of Rounds and Brass both, likely War One, possibly as late as War Two. Check the rounds very carefully and give us the markings on the case-HEADS as well as a side elevation; could be xome nice Specials in there (looks so by the different Crimps: Ball Mk VII all was crimped halfway down the Neck)
Pic 5 is 2 rounds of .41 Swiss for the Swiss Vetterli rifles: rimfire, 10.35mm, paperpatch bullet. Goes $8 a round and up. You also have a 20mm projectile (HE) for the Hispano or Oerlikon cannon. Lots and lots of these released on the open market, unfilled and LOOKING very live, up into the 1960s. Some also had a Trace element in the base. Likely inert but don't toss it in the fire, just in case. Fuse assembly just unscrews for filling; you sometimes find them filled with a kind of sand and painted green. This one still is shiny and so likely factory-unfinished, surplus by the ton and now a hard-to-find little item.
BOLT is for a .22, but I don't know anything about them apart from Cooeys. Think this could be Savage.
Hope this helps.
Smellie:
You have to tell us how you could know all that just from looking at a few pictures. I am amazed!
Picture of headstamp of one 303 cartridge as requested.
Side view:
Another Head Stamp:
One of the wax plugs fell out when I was taking pictures. I took a picture of the powder spill, why not?
Thanks to CGN Vincent, who pm'd me about the Enfield bolt. I sent him the ser # and markings, and he asked a couple questions. Turns out the bolt came from a 1945 ROF-Fazakerley made No 5 rifle- also known as the Jungle Carbine. It is the same as the No 4 rifle bolt but a bit rarer. There is a hole inside the bolt knob.
And finally, a friendly challenge to the all knowing Smellie:
I have never seen one of these for sale on the EE. I think they are pretty rare.
Can you ID this? I will post the make and model in a few days if you don't nail it right away
Thanks again for everyones input, I appreciate it.
You have to tell us how you could know all that just from looking at a few pictures. I am amazed!
Picture of headstamp of one 303 cartridge as requested.
Side view:
Another Head Stamp:
One of the wax plugs fell out when I was taking pictures. I took a picture of the powder spill, why not?
Thanks to CGN Vincent, who pm'd me about the Enfield bolt. I sent him the ser # and markings, and he asked a couple questions. Turns out the bolt came from a 1945 ROF-Fazakerley made No 5 rifle- also known as the Jungle Carbine. It is the same as the No 4 rifle bolt but a bit rarer. There is a hole inside the bolt knob.
And finally, a friendly challenge to the all knowing Smellie:
I have never seen one of these for sale on the EE. I think they are pretty rare.
Can you ID this? I will post the make and model in a few days if you don't nail it right away
Thanks again for everyones input, I appreciate it.
greyman441
CGN Regular
- Location
- Wasaga Beach, ON
Im not sure on that one. I have seen them before but I cant quiet remember at the moment. Now I need new computer, there is drool all over this one. lol
IIRC M4 survival rifle, H&R Drummondville PQ.
DAL hs is on a MKVII 303 ctg made at Dominion Arsenal Lidsay.
The ctg with the plug looks like a blank made by pulling the bullet and sticking the case in a bar of soap. This was done due to a shortage of blanks. Is it a 30-06?
DAL hs is on a MKVII 303 ctg made at Dominion Arsenal Lidsay.
The ctg with the plug looks like a blank made by pulling the bullet and sticking the case in a bar of soap. This was done due to a shortage of blanks. Is it a 30-06?
Picture shows awfully small on my machine, but it looks like a Savage M-4 Survival Rifle, RCAF and USAF issue for many years. It's a .22 Hornet, uses 5-round mags.
Cute little thing; always wanted one. Rural Newfoundland seems overrun with them, but I could never snag one.
The .303 with the DAL headstamp is Dominion Arsenal at Lindsay, which was a new ammunition arsenal constructed in War One in Sir Sam Hughes' own riding. This was an IMMENSE source of disgust to the Opposition, of course. Lindsay made .303 Ball ammunition in 1917, 1918 and some in 1919. EARLY 1917 ammo was headstamped LAC, LATE '17 and the others as DAL. The plant is said to have made a bit in 1920 but I have never seen one. Lindsay ammunition is scarce and it can be your own personal link with Sir Sam. I remember a few years back, when we were still allowed to shoot MGs, fellow at our range shot off a couple of BOXES of Lindsay ammo through his Bren. I very nearly cried when I saw the brass! There are tals that the plant was started again, just to prove that it worked okay, before it was sold off as surplus in 1921 or 1922; what the headstamp would have been, I do not know. I HAVE an LAC-17, DAL-17, DAL-18 and DAL-19 but I don't think I have the whole set..... and I can't afford a copy of Peter's book!
Your OTHER .303 is MOST interesting. That is a US ARMY headstamp there! Frankford Arsenal, 1933. Only thing I can think of which might have used it would have been Observers' MGs on training and reconnaissance aircraft. The 47/96 round pans were used on the Lewis MGs even at that late period and the Lewis fed better, gave less stoppages and fewer broken parts with the .303 than it did with the '06. Some continued in service with the USAAF long after they were issued in the Great War. This is a VERY interesting cartridge and I don't know if it has even been listed. WOW!
Hope this helps.
Cute little thing; always wanted one. Rural Newfoundland seems overrun with them, but I could never snag one.
The .303 with the DAL headstamp is Dominion Arsenal at Lindsay, which was a new ammunition arsenal constructed in War One in Sir Sam Hughes' own riding. This was an IMMENSE source of disgust to the Opposition, of course. Lindsay made .303 Ball ammunition in 1917, 1918 and some in 1919. EARLY 1917 ammo was headstamped LAC, LATE '17 and the others as DAL. The plant is said to have made a bit in 1920 but I have never seen one. Lindsay ammunition is scarce and it can be your own personal link with Sir Sam. I remember a few years back, when we were still allowed to shoot MGs, fellow at our range shot off a couple of BOXES of Lindsay ammo through his Bren. I very nearly cried when I saw the brass! There are tals that the plant was started again, just to prove that it worked okay, before it was sold off as surplus in 1921 or 1922; what the headstamp would have been, I do not know. I HAVE an LAC-17, DAL-17, DAL-18 and DAL-19 but I don't think I have the whole set..... and I can't afford a copy of Peter's book!
Your OTHER .303 is MOST interesting. That is a US ARMY headstamp there! Frankford Arsenal, 1933. Only thing I can think of which might have used it would have been Observers' MGs on training and reconnaissance aircraft. The 47/96 round pans were used on the Lewis MGs even at that late period and the Lewis fed better, gave less stoppages and fewer broken parts with the .303 than it did with the '06. Some continued in service with the USAAF long after they were issued in the Great War. This is a VERY interesting cartridge and I don't know if it has even been listed. WOW!
Hope this helps.
Kayser Sose
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Southern Van Isle
Just gonna say;
that last bolt, the .22? Reminds me strongly of the one in my Remington 513T Matchmaster. Not exactly, mind, butclose, specifically the shape of the cocking end (cocked indicator sticks out of the hole), the lone locking lug, and the style of handle. Just sayin'.
that last bolt, the .22? Reminds me strongly of the one in my Remington 513T Matchmaster. Not exactly, mind, butclose, specifically the shape of the cocking end (cocked indicator sticks out of the hole), the lone locking lug, and the style of handle. Just sayin'.
