Help -- Lowball ??

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Hello, I just got my PAL in the fall of 2009 and am fairly new to CGN. I need some help trying to understand how pricing works on this site.

I am seeing alot of WTS at of just under brand new pricing. I am sincere in saying I am not trying to offend anyone but when I buy anything used whether it be a car, house, or something at a garage sale -- I like to hagle and I am not looking to pay more than new prices. When I buy something new from a store I am looking for the salesman to provide a service (answer all questions, get me information) also I am getting a warrentee. IS IT NOT FAIR to think that buying a firearm here on this site I can offer less.

I have been watching the shotgun exchange and I am very interested in a Rem 870. Going through all the postings I have seen about 5 go for between 250 and 300. I offered a member this for his and was told his gun was new and he wants new pricing.

How do I go about getting a good deal without offending people ?? I have purchase a Baikal shotgun for a fantastic price but that seems to be the exception.

Thanks for letting me rant -- so if someone could teach me what to expect and how to make reasonable offers on this forum I would be grateful.

Thanks
Corey

p.s.
keeping my eye out for Rem 870 Express, Rem 700 Varmit 223 and a Savage 99 308 and hoping for a great deal.
 
Don't assume you know more about the item and its value than the seller and that you can educate him.
If you want to spend $275 and he is looking for $300 then you may get it. But don't offer that to a guy who is asking $400.
 
It's pretty simple, really... If you think a fella is asking too much, offer him what you think is a more reasonable amount and explain why. If he doesn't agree, then don't buy his gun. It's that easy.

Yes, some people seem to think their guns are made of gold... Don't buy from those guys. Just keep your eyes open for a better deal. You might have to watch the ee for days or weeks to find a good deal, but they do come along. The trick is to jump on a good deal when you see one because they usually don't last long.

But there's no point in worrying about the sellers that ask too much. They are free to ask whatever they want. It's a free market. And you are free to not buy from them. ;) Grumbling about them doesn't do any good. :)
 
krausb said:
It's pretty simple, really... If you think a fella is asking too much, offer him what you think is a more reasonable amount and explain why. If he doesn't agree, then don't buy his gun. It's that easy.
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This, right there, should be bottled and marketed as "liquid truth".

If you make a reasonable counter-offer and the seller takes offense, that's their problem isn't it?
 
Thanks

Thanks guys .. I guess one more thing going through my mind is Do guns depriciate in value after they are bought like lets say a car does ??
 
cnl said:
Thanks guys .. I guess one more thing going through my mind is Do guns depriciate in value after they are bought like lets say a car does ??
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Really, that is for each buyer to decide for himself. ;) But if you are asking my opinion, I say YES! If I am going to pay anywhere near the price of a new gun, then I will be buying a brand new gun form a reputable dealer. To me, a gun is "used" the second a dealer transfers it to the new owner. But maybe that's just me... ;)
 
Clearly you're not a collector, kraus. I agree that's the way it should be with most guns, but let's say someone really wants a Python, he'll probably pay more than the original buyer payed new, even if the gun's been used. Rarity increases value.
 
Cerdan said:
Clearly you're not a collector, kraus.
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Clearly. ;)

I agree that's the way it should be with most guns, but let's say someone really wants a Python, he'll probably pay more than the original buyer payed new, even if the gun's been used. Rarity increases value.
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There are always exceptions to any "rule". I do agree that rarity can increase value; but ultimately any gun is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it... If that same Python sits in the EE for 6 months listed at $1600, is it really worth that much? ;) Maybe to the seller it is. But potential buyers might say otherwise.
 
The way I look at it, is simple, the seller is the one who will determine if it will be sold or not.

make an offer to the seller, of what you are willing to pay for item, if they say no, you can increase your offer, if you have the funds, or move on to the next seller that has what your after.

I don't know how some sellers look at it, but I will ask for a price of an item, if it's what I asked for, or close and reasonable I will sell, if it's low balled, I will reply to buyer no thanks, I would never be offended by an offer, I just won't let it go if it's not the amount I feel is right for me.

But then some sellers see it differently.....
 
cnl said:
Do guns depriciate in value after they are bought like lets say a car does ??
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Not always. I sold a rifle in EE I bought years ago for more than it cost new at that time, and the buyer still got a good deal.

Prices can be tough to compare directly to new catalogue prices. EE prices vary depending on model (a used 870 wingmaster (new style) is worth more than an new 870 express) and accessories (scopes, slings, peep sights, chokes, relaoding equipment, rings, bases, etc) not included with a new gun.

Most smoking hot deals are sold very fast in the EE so pay attention and be ready to buy.
 
If the price is what i think is fair, i buy it outright, no haggling, no BS.

I will make one reasonable offer for stuff that is a bit high, because a lot of sellers add some negotiating room onto the asking price.

I ignore anything that's priced unreasonably. There's no point attempting to deal with people who are delusional. Maybe they will catch on after a few weeks or months when they don't sell their stuff.

Every seller is different, every buyer is different. Remember that the seller has every right to ask whatever price he wants, you only have the option to buy or walk away.

Best advice i can give you is do what feels right to you. If an item is priced higher than you think it's worth, don't buy it. Only you can determine what something is worth to you, and you'll have to make your own decisions.

Please don't be like some of the guys on here and start making a habit of slagging prices on the EE. Nobody controls the pricing, and nobody forces us to shop here either. Sometimes it's better to just buy new stuff when the used prices get too high.
 
I have only purchased off the EE twice (both smooth transactions, BTW). If I see something I want and I think it's a price I can live with, I buy it. I don't like the haggling BS at all and I certainly wouldn't question the prices people are asking for "their" equipment. Just that simple...
 
LoL Fun thread
I am in the used Car business I get all kind of offers everyday. Something I get offers 5K under the Asking price for a 2 year old car. With the immigration boom this as become daily business, no one should get offended by a Offer, the Answer is so simple most baby learn it before Daddy a Mommy... NO !

Now if someone doing business on EE is tricky because 75% of the gun sells for more then they should. but thats EE , you should consider new guns sometime for a extra 100$ you can get it bran new. look for old EE thread like 2-3 months old , and make a offer if the firearm is still available you might get a better deal

Good luck and please continu to Offend those picky ladies
 
cnl said:
Thanks guys .. I guess one more thing going through my mind is Do guns depriciate in value after they are bought like lets say a car does ??
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I feel that for the guns I own, no, they do not depreciate.

For guns that others own, that I want to buy, those suckers sink like a stone!

:D
 
Many people seem unclear on the concept of depreciation. I think you are correct that , unless it is a collectible, the used price should be significantly below retail but like all markets something is worth what someone will pay for it. Offer what you think it is worth and if the seller says no move on .
 
If you buy a SPS Varmint from a local store for $800, use it, and want to sell it, Dont list it for $700 as a great deal like new, when I can order the same gun from Ellwood Epps for $650 new.

Just because you paid more to start with, doesnt make the gun worth more.

You see alot of this on the EE.
 
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