help me choose one 308 winchester or 6.5 creedmoore pleaes
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redshooter
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I believe an aerosol can of Off, or Hair Spray would be quite a bit more dangerous than a 1 lbs of powder in a fire, much more likely to cause one for that matter. Any Pam in the Kitchen? Smokeless Powder doesn't do this.
If the conversation is required it burns in a very controlled manner, anything above or below it will likely ignite if flammable, but it doesn't explode, just a nice column of FIRE! (the action starts at 1:45)
Reloading is THE most important piece of the puzzle, you'd be surprised what you can get to shoot sub moa with the right ammo. Here's a selection of presses, just to give you an idea of what's available, https://theammosource.com/presses/. Scroll down to the kit, that's almost all you need. Also Dies, some kind of case trimmer, appropriate shell holders, and a decent Digital/Dial Caliper. I'd also replace that digital scale with a better digital, or my preference a balance type scale.
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You should be able to get much more then that out of a 6BR. At least double that amount.
First of all, I would go with the 308 as I still see the 6.5 as a gucci cartridge. Yes it has a following but I see it like Beta videos. It works but the 308 is well proven as a hunting and target round, it has been tweaked, pinched, and adjusted so much over the years so there are plenty of tables to pour over and a plethora of components to choose from. For hunting, it can launch a heavy bullet that the 6.5 can't touch. And, you will always be able to find 308 on a shelf at a sporting goods or hardware store.
Savage ... insert frowning face, they are crap rifles.
Sig, they are okay but way overpriced for what you get.
Tikka would not be my first choice but they make a good rifle for a reasonable price, and they have good barrels.
Savage ... insert frowning face, they are crap rifles.
Sig, they are okay but way overpriced for what you get.
Tikka would not be my first choice but they make a good rifle for a reasonable price, and they have good barrels.
redshooter
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Have to disagree with a a bit of this ^^^^^
First off, comparing the two, it's not even close, a 6.5 147gr ELD @ 2750 fps vs. a .308 225gr ELD @ 2250 fps isn't even a race according to Hornady's calculator. -279.8" to -419.3", I didn't bother with the wind as the 225 is going so slow, I can't see how it would have an advantage, but it might.
*edit* Misread the previous comment, yes .308 has greater selection across the board for projectiles. I've read plenty of accounts of the power of the 160gr RN, I think it's equal to anything the .308 can sling at shorter ranges, my opinion for what its worth. If the .308 case was a bit larger, then it would have an edge, but they are basically equal.
"Savage is crap", I guess if you have unlimited funds this is understandable. Savage is not crap, especially if you get the right model/action. I've never had a Savage that I couldn't get to shoot. I had a Tikka that liked only 35gr-40gr bullets, ALL my Savage Rifles would shoot 55gr-75gr equally well with the right powder. My only complaint, extraction, it can be a bit unreliable, that's the one thing that could get me to pass on one, and only if it was a Rifle that my life would depend on...Bench Rifle doesn't fit that description (forgot, they can have some hideous machining errors, best inspect before you buy). In the end you tend to get what you pay for, but if he can convince the Wife Smokeless Powder good, maybe a gently used older Savage 10 FCP in .308 in a new XRS/LSS XL and a basic reloading set would serve the OP best.
I do agree that 308 ammo is more prolific, but it's a Bench Gun, most likely not an issue. 6.5 CM is so well supported by Hornady and others it's clearly a better Cartridge for Target Shooting, than .308 Win.
First off, comparing the two, it's not even close, a 6.5 147gr ELD @ 2750 fps vs. a .308 225gr ELD @ 2250 fps isn't even a race according to Hornady's calculator. -279.8" to -419.3", I didn't bother with the wind as the 225 is going so slow, I can't see how it would have an advantage, but it might.
*edit* Misread the previous comment, yes .308 has greater selection across the board for projectiles. I've read plenty of accounts of the power of the 160gr RN, I think it's equal to anything the .308 can sling at shorter ranges, my opinion for what its worth. If the .308 case was a bit larger, then it would have an edge, but they are basically equal.
"Savage is crap", I guess if you have unlimited funds this is understandable. Savage is not crap, especially if you get the right model/action. I've never had a Savage that I couldn't get to shoot. I had a Tikka that liked only 35gr-40gr bullets, ALL my Savage Rifles would shoot 55gr-75gr equally well with the right powder. My only complaint, extraction, it can be a bit unreliable, that's the one thing that could get me to pass on one, and only if it was a Rifle that my life would depend on...Bench Rifle doesn't fit that description (forgot, they can have some hideous machining errors, best inspect before you buy). In the end you tend to get what you pay for, but if he can convince the Wife Smokeless Powder good, maybe a gently used older Savage 10 FCP in .308 in a new XRS/LSS XL and a basic reloading set would serve the OP best.
I do agree that 308 ammo is more prolific, but it's a Bench Gun, most likely not an issue. 6.5 CM is so well supported by Hornady and others it's clearly a better Cartridge for Target Shooting, than .308 Win.
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sillymike
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How many rounds are you realistically expecting to send down range any given year
And will it be strictly a paper/gong punching rifle, or will it serve double purpose?
For paper punching and learning the wind, range estimation (assuming you are not on a DCRA type range)... I'd probably be thinking of something in 223. With a barrel that can handle 75gr-90gr bullets...
I'm with ya Marty.
For most shooting I will go with my 223 without question.
There are a couple reasons I might go with the 308 instead. One would be if I need the additional terminal energy, (almost never) the other is for F Class where there are some advantages to the 308 for the precision requirements of F Class. Additionally the larger 308 round makes a larger hole and can touch the line which goes to the higher score when just outside the scoring ring, while the smaller .223 round would not. Its a small point but could account for maybe 3 or 4 points over the grand aggregate. In a tight race, it can make a difference.
After reading through all of this.. I have one question. What are your honest expectations of this rifle/caliber? Is this purely for hobby shooting, did you want to get involved in PRS or other comps, will it see double duty as a hunting rifle?
How many rounds do you think you'll be shooting per week or month?
Factory ammo will be an expensive proposition, so you'll absolutely need to factor in the cost of a quality reloading setup before long if you'll be shooting weekly.
Personally, as mentioned, I wouldn't be concerned about the ballistic differences between the .308 and 6.5 at this point in your journey. At 300-500 yards, you wont see any difference between the two you mentioned. Once you've been shooting whatever caliber/rifle you get for a while, and are consistently hitting a 6'' or 12'' gongs at long range, you'll naturally start seeing where you want to go going forward, whether it be a re-barrel to a different caliber, a different action, a step up in optics etc.
Lastly, I think you'll quickly realize that the money spent on an quality optic may be a better investment that worrying about calibers.
How many rounds do you think you'll be shooting per week or month?
Factory ammo will be an expensive proposition, so you'll absolutely need to factor in the cost of a quality reloading setup before long if you'll be shooting weekly.
Personally, as mentioned, I wouldn't be concerned about the ballistic differences between the .308 and 6.5 at this point in your journey. At 300-500 yards, you wont see any difference between the two you mentioned. Once you've been shooting whatever caliber/rifle you get for a while, and are consistently hitting a 6'' or 12'' gongs at long range, you'll naturally start seeing where you want to go going forward, whether it be a re-barrel to a different caliber, a different action, a step up in optics etc.
Lastly, I think you'll quickly realize that the money spent on an quality optic may be a better investment that worrying about calibers.
A bolt action that is unreliable when performing one of its few primary functions (such as extraction) could definitely be construed as "crappy".
Savage has horrendous QA/QC, and overall quality is quite low. You get what you pay for.
Look at the Ruger Precision as well...my savage rifles shoot every bit as good as my tikka's do.
Another option is a Savage 12 FV (for around 500.00) and put it in a MDT stock or a 783 Rem heavy barrel and restock, they will all shoot good with the right load
Reading the wind at distance is hardest part of long range shooting IMHO....500 yards isn't long range shooting though.
