Help me "de-stock" my Norc HP9

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Hi,

Need some help from the experts.

I bought a Norinco HP9 (870 clone) 14" primarily to use as a backpack shotgun.

So I want to make it as small as possible, yet still stay legal, here is my wish list, if people can point to websites with currently available parts that they think are good and have used themselves:

1) folding stock with grip - preferably one that has a recoil mechanism because I want to fire some slugs

2) foregrip

3) replacement for the bead sight, or even a mounting system

4) side saddle

5) sling

It's main purpose is get in a bit of small game (legally) during boredom on long hiking/climbing trips as well as serve as a self defence firearm in a pinch if need be. I have a number of other shotguns but I bought this one since the reviews both online and folks I know all say it is sturdy, and a build off of a solidly reliable grandfather one of which I have, and has a decent pattern with a short barrel. Plus if it gets wrecked during a hike no big deal.

This one is intended to pack into the backpack so once I am a day out of range of the usual hippy dayhikers I can bring it out and avoid the usual "man with a gun" freakouts that I am so sick of and with it being fairly short won't get stuck on bush.

Being mostly into hunting, I never built a tactical shotgun, and kind of want to play around a bit in that area as well.

Thanks for any help!
 
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I can't give exact suggestions, as I haven't got one of these, but I believe this is the 870 clone, correct? In any event, the Knoxx Spec Ops stock seems to be a decent one, and I believe (don't quote me on this) Mesa Tactical makes recoil adapters for certain stocks. S&J or TacOrd are both good places to start your search. Still, a good stock will set you back a couple hundred bucks, so you could well end up putting more money in accessories on this gun than you paid for it. I won't get into foregrips, as I believe you can get a "package" with a stock and foregrip combined.

As for the other stuff... someone recently had a thread about bead sights on an "action" shotgun, so you may want to look at that thread, but a couple people recommended XS Sight Systems. Slings aren't an issue, it just depends on whether you're looking at a single point or two point... a two point sling can be picked up anywhere (or made yourself if you feel so compelled), and a single point sling will require the appropriate mount, probably between the receiver and stock. Most places stock these... TacOrd should have them, S&J or Marstar may as well. You may be better off getting both the sling and mount from the same place.

As for sidesaddles... depends on if you want a hard shellholder or soft shellholder. S&J recently came out with a line of velcro-on soft shellholders, from 2 to 8 rounds (I believe), which may be good for you as it should lay flat when empty, preventing it from catching on the bush.

If all else fails, try The Ammo Source (I believe that's the name), which is in Canada, or Brownells and Tactical Shotgunner in the US. All of them should (I think) have one thing or another that you're looking for.
 
mesa tactical make an excellent side sadle with built on rail for optics for the 870 would solve 2 of your wants with one purchase
 
Be careful!

Adding a folding stock to that gun could possibly make it restricted.

If I understand correctly the gun has to remain at an overall length of more than 26 inches.

That said I have not seen a recoil reducing stock with a built in folder. On the other hand I am not a fan of such a stock. Feels very strange and I got hit in the face with the stupid thing, not hard but I felt it. Apparently the manual warns about this cheek slap but I got the warning from my buddy a few seconds too late.

2 3/4 slugs shouldn't be too bad at all in the HP9 anyhow, as it is a tank of a shotgun.

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Thanks so far, the mesa tactical rail looks like a good option.

Has anyone used the Knoxx SpecOps Folder stock? It has a built in recoil absorber and from the specs on the website won't violate the 26 inch length rule.

The only thing I am concerned about is cheek rest with it...
 
All comments about their recent falling out with CGN aside, I noticed that moreguns supply has what appears to be a decent set for the price. Stock, Forend, Grip, and a couple saddle-type mounts for the stock listed at $89.99 .

DO NOT post links to non contributing dealers. -USP
 
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I had a Knoxx folding breachers stock on my 14inch HP9. The gun is just over 26 inches in total length when folded. IMHO folded stocks, pistol grip stocks and other non standard stocks are gimmicky garbage. The Knoxx has a bad cheek weld and slaps you in the face with hard hitting slugs.
 
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I had a Knoxx folding breachers stock on my 14inch HP9. The gun is just over 26 inches in total length when folded. IMHO folded stocks, pistol grip stocks and other non standard stocks are gimmicky garbage. The Knoxx has a bad cheek weld and slaps you in the face with hard hitting slugs.
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That's what I was afraid of.

The only reason for a folding stock was to decrease length to pack away, Though I supposed I would not be saving much space. What about the ATI folding stock? They also have one with a new buttpad.
 
The general consensus is that ATI is pretty terrible in terms of quality... apparently some people have had issues with plastic bits breaking on them (at least on the AR-style stocks). Still, they are cheap, and you may be able to get some use out of them, especially if you're willing to "fix" anything that goes wrong.

As for the bad cheek weld on a folding stock, you may be able to attach some sort of cheek riser to it to get a better cheek weld... I recently picked up an Accu-riser piece off the EE, and although it's going on a regular stock, and I haven't had a chance to test it out, it may work for you. Worse comes to worst, perhaps a section of dense foam, like that used to insulate hot water pipes in your house?

Are you dead set on a pistol grip stock, like the AR-style or a folder? I'm not sure how easy it would be to do (if it's a synthetic stock), but you may be able to trim down the standard stock and use a recoil pad... I know there's a company other than Limbsaver that makes decent recoil pads, and there was a whole thread on them recently in which a couple people recommended shortening the stock (and recoil pad) to below your LOP. Apparently that particular pad (Kick-Eez, I believe) is somewhat "sticky", so some people had issues with it catching their clothes while shouldering. In any event, it won't exactly be a "short" stock, but it may cut the length down enough for you to pack it away, and it'll cost far less than a new AR-style or folding stock.
 
My personal recommendation for a hiking/backpacking gun would be to leave the sidesaddle off, throw on a Hogue short LOP buttstock, attach a +1 mag tube extension, replace the front bead with an actual base that you can put a fiber optic front or XS Big Dot on and call it good to go. :cool:

If you're slipping it in and out of a pack you want it as snag free as possible and putting folders and ammo carriers defeats the purpose of this. You can hit well with slugs out past 50m with a bead and a bit of practice (you are going to practice aren't you???) and the recoil from 2.75" slugs isn't too bad so long as you put down your purse before you shoot:nest:

Want extra shells?? Throw 5 or six in a pocket and keep some spares in your pack or get a belt bag that holds what you need. with the mag extension you have 6 already so one full reload should do the trick at least so far as immediate need...:D
 
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My personal recommendation for a hiking/backpacking gun would be to leave the sidesaddle off, throw on a Hogue short LOP buttstock, attach a +1 mag tube extension, replace the front bead with an actual base that you can put a fiber optic front or XS Big Dot on and call it good to go. :cool:

If you're slipping it in and out of a pack you want it as snag free as possible and putting folders and ammo carriers defeats the purpose of this. You can hit well with slugs out past 50m with a bead and a bit of practice (you are going to practice aren't you???) and the recoil from 2.75" slugs isn't too bad so long as you put down your purse before you shoot:nest:
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Don't worry about that, I like to practice. Which is why I wanted to be so sure of the stock...
Want extra shells?? Throw 5 or six in a pocket and keep some spares in your pack or get a belt bag that holds what you need. with the mag extension you have 6 already so one full reload should do the trick at least so far as immediate need...:D
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I think you are right about the Hogue. My suspicions regarding the folding stocks have been confirmed, thanks guys. Nothing is worst than anticipating being smacked randomly when you're already on the edge. If I need to pack it down more, I can just take the barrel off like I have been doing.

The side saddle was for the tactical world, not to leave on during backpacking. Should have been clearer.
 
langmann, the hogue rubber is a bit sticky, see if you can try before you buy. it can hang up on stuff pretty badly. as suggested, check out S&J's new velcro side saddle, they use a stick on velcro pad to attach where ever you like and a velcro-backed shell carrier. They've been well tested, being made from quality materials. Ive never shot a Knoxx stock as recoil doesnt bother me much, but I handled both the collapsible and wire folder at the gunstore. The wire folder was horribly uncomfortable. I like pack guns to be simple and light as possible, if I were to do it I'd go with a +1 extension, tritium bead sight and short LOP standard style stock with a limbsaver recoil pad. Then mag tube and reciever sling plates and throw the sling over my back with the shotgun out infront, pointing down and to the left for the fastest draw possible (aside from carrying it in your hands) I'll agree with what was said about ATI. I've owned alot of their junk and just didnt like any of it. As for actual ammo, I wouldnt waste a 3" slug in a short barrel, most of the powder charge is used for flashy lights and sounds. That being said, 2 3/4" slugs in a gun that heavy will be easy recoil, a limbsaver and proper hold will nearly eliminate recoil.
 
Another option that might be best of both worlds is the knoxx comp stock. It looks just like the hogue stock and might be of similar size except it has the recoil reduction built in. don't know if any dealers sell them. Haven't seen one on here before.
 
Thanks guys, thanks supernova. Yeah I think that is the way to go for what I want.

Took the virgin gun down to the range today. The accuracy of the short barrel with slugs over a bead amazes me. Like I had hoped, the gun is heavy enough that recoil isn't an issue.
 
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